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12/21/2012 03:34:06 PM · #976 |
Originally posted by Cory:
the end game is simple - either we value every life - or we value all our freedoms. |
Another "all or nothing" argument. We value life over fear and paranoia that repeatedly results in senseless death. Weaponizing citizens and posting guards at schools is the opposite of freedom, and there is no more inherent right to possess assault weapons and extended magazines than bazookas or RPGs.
Message edited by author 2012-12-21 15:35:39. |
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12/21/2012 03:37:49 PM · #977 |
| Well, I'll leave you guys to your talking. It's been 45 posts since a pro-gun person has posted so I'm not sure about the continued conversation. But you guys seem to be having fun. |
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12/21/2012 03:50:37 PM · #978 |
| just finished writing to my senator about how the news outlets ought to be held accountable for their role in all this. |
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12/21/2012 04:04:26 PM · #979 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, I'll leave you guys to your talking. It's been 45 posts since a pro-gun person has posted so I'm not sure about the continued conversation. But you guys seem to be having fun. |
Looks like three posts to me ... |
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12/21/2012 04:09:38 PM · #980 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, I'll leave you guys to your talking. It's been 45 posts since a pro-gun person has posted so I'm not sure about the continued conversation. But you guys seem to be having fun. |
Looks like three posts to me ... |
I'm not pro gun. I'm anti "progress"... |
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12/21/2012 04:16:35 PM · #981 |
Originally posted by Cory:
My point is this-
It's a hell of a problem - and the end game is simple - either we value every life - or we value all our freedoms.
I am in the freedom camp - and I think many people gave their lives to defend the freedom we have - it's a shame to give up a single bit of any of those freedoms to save a few lives.
Yet, if I were in the other camp I think I would say that every life is so precious that there is no cost too great. |
I guess the definition of "freedom" is different depending on who you ask. |
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12/21/2012 04:19:00 PM · #982 |
| If these assaults had been carried out by people affiliated with terrorist groups, we'd be spending billions to stop it. But we're doing it to ourselves, and, well, we're a "free" people, right? So... |
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12/21/2012 04:19:36 PM · #983 |
| and after reading the article on the NRA dispshit, im about to write an editorial to my paper. |
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12/21/2012 04:20:51 PM · #984 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
If these assaults had been carried out by people affiliated with terrorist groups, we'd be spending billions to stop it. But we're doing it to ourselves, and, well, we're a "free" people, right? So... |
yep the solution would have been more guns (on foreign lands) so why shouldn't it be the answer here at home too?
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12/21/2012 04:21:19 PM · #985 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
If these assaults had been carried out by people affiliated with terrorist groups, we'd be spending billions to stop it. But we're doing it to ourselves, and, well, we're a "free" people, right? So... |
I don't particularly think those billions are well spent either. |
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12/21/2012 04:21:54 PM · #986 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Well, I'll leave you guys to your talking. It's been 45 posts since a pro-gun person has posted so I'm not sure about the continued conversation. But you guys seem to be having fun. |
Looks like three posts to me ... |
I'm not pro gun. I'm anti "progress"... |
we haven't had any so you should have nothing to worry about. |
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12/21/2012 04:22:59 PM · #987 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
If these assaults had been carried out by people affiliated with terrorist groups, we'd be spending billions to stop it. But we're doing it to ourselves, and, well, we're a "free" people, right? So... |
yep the solution would have been more guns (on foreign lands) so why shouldn't it be the answer here at home too? |
And this is why I say I'm anti "progress"
There is no answer - looking for one is a fools errand.
In the meantime, please say something nice to someone who looks like they need it today. Try to do something nice. Contribute to the well being of the world - it's honestly the only real hope. (yet, I'm not particularly hopeful) |
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12/22/2012 03:35:51 AM · #988 |
//news.yahoo.com/gunman-kills-woman-pa-church-2-men-elsewhere-223709136.html
Not a school this time, phew!!!
I suppose we have admit that, if you want to kill someone, a gun will help. |
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12/22/2012 06:29:21 AM · #989 |
It's a fools errand to try to do something about controlling gun violence? Blame it on culture, society, all the while proclaiming a bullshit right to be heavily armed? One of the best articles I have read, [img]right here.[/img]
Message edited by author 2012-12-22 06:29:46. |
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12/22/2012 07:46:52 AM · #990 |
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12/22/2012 07:48:45 AM · #991 |
bolding is mine
Originally posted by blindjustice:
It's a fools errand to try to do something about controlling gun violence? Blame it on culture, society, all the while proclaiming a bullshit right to be heavily armed? One of the best articles I have read, [img]right here.[/img] |
i didnt read the article so i'm not sure if this point was made, but it really feels like the focus is in the wrong place in the wake of this tragedy. so many are arguing for/against guns, isn't it the violence we should be addressing?
make mental health/children's services/resources for parents with troubled kids more readily available
someone said it earlier, study places where there are lots of guns but LESS VIOLENCE with them.
come TOGETHER for a solution instead of picking at an issue that tears us apart.
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12/22/2012 09:16:25 AM · #992 |
| Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
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12/22/2012 09:26:21 AM · #993 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
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12/22/2012 10:36:12 AM · #994 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
What about Canada, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland? They don't. |
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12/22/2012 10:41:48 AM · #995 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
What about Canada, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland? They don't. |
More so then we do. Plus those places are REALLY cold :) |
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12/22/2012 10:48:28 AM · #996 |
Originally posted by FourPointX:
i didnt read the article so i'm not sure if this point was made, but it really feels like the focus is in the wrong place in the wake of this tragedy. so many are arguing for/against guns, isn't it the violence we should be addressing?
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come TOGETHER for a solution instead of picking at an issue that tears us apart. |
So here's the concluding paragraph for ya. The article's well worth a read.
Originally posted by New Yourker:
On gun violence and how to end it, the facts are all in, the evidence is clear, the truth there for all who care to know it—indeed, a global consensus is in place, which, in disbelief and now in disgust, the planet waits for us to us to join. Those who fight against gun control, actively or passively, with a shrug of helplessness, are dooming more kids to horrible deaths and more parents to unspeakable grief just as surely as are those who fight against pediatric medicine or childhood vaccination. It’s really, and inarguably, just as simple as that. |
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12/22/2012 10:53:11 AM · #997 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
What about Canada, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland? They don't. |
More so then we do. Plus those places are REALLY cold :) |
Not really:
"The Schengen Area comprises the territories of twenty-six European countries that have implemented the Schengen Agreement, signed in the town of Schengen, Luxembourg in 1985. The Schengen Area operates as a single international travel and immigration area with no border controls for people travelling between Schengen countries and only external border controls for those travelling in and out of the area."
The Schengen Area is basically all of Europe except the UK.... |
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12/22/2012 11:13:00 AM · #998 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
What about Canada, Norway, Finland, Sweden, and Switzerland? They don't. |
More so then we do. Plus those places are REALLY cold :) |
Not really:
"The Schengen Area comprises the territories of twenty-six European countries that have implemented the Schengen Agreement, signed in the town of Schengen, Luxembourg in 1985. The Schengen Area operates as a single international travel and immigration area with no border controls for people travelling between Schengen countries and only external border controls for those travelling in and out of the area."
The Schengen Area is basically all of Europe except the UK.... |
Don't get me wrong I am all for tighter gun control laws, I am just wondering how well it will work with our lax borders.
It is FAR too easy to purchase a firearm, hell as long as you don't have a criminal record you are good to go. Not to mention gun shows... |
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12/22/2012 11:13:54 AM · #999 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Why, when other countries with strict gun control proves this works? You never going to be able remove the violent element from man, but you sure can limit his ability for mass destruction. |
One major difference between Australia, Japan and the UK is they all have closed borders. |
True enough, but Canada has gun controls and it shares a common border with the USA, which unless I am very much mistaken, is the longest unprotected (for the most part) border in the world.
Ray
Message edited by author 2012-12-22 11:16:19. |
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12/22/2012 11:23:11 AM · #1000 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
It's a fools errand to try to do something about controlling gun violence? Blame it on culture, society, all the while proclaiming a bullshit right to be heavily armed? One of the best articles I have read, [img]right here.[/img] |
Yeah, that pesky bullshit Bill of Rights...free speech and all that... total bullshit. |
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