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12/20/2012 09:42:22 AM · #876

Where was all the outrage from the NRA, or Republicans when the Patriot Act, DMCA, and the like were being passed through congress? Am I missing something?

Message edited by author 2012-12-20 09:43:36.

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12/20/2012 09:46:24 AM · #877

Originally posted by Venser:

Where was all the outrage from the NRA, or Republicans when the Patriot Act, DMCA, and the like were being passed through congress? Am I missing something?

nope.

Spork99

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12/20/2012 10:27:07 AM · #878

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Everyone armed is not a serious position. Its an NRA bargaining position, a starting point.

Gun control people say no guns, NRA says everybody armed, and as such frame the debate to keep everything status quo, they hope, for the most part.

It's not even an NRA starting position.

The NRA position is that people should be able to arm themselves if they choose to do so. Part of having the right to do something is the freedom to choose NOT to do that thing. Without that, it's a mandate.

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12/20/2012 10:32:57 AM · #879

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by blindjustice:
Everyone armed is not a serious position. Its an NRA bargaining position, a starting point.

Gun control people say no guns, NRA says everybody armed, and as such frame the debate to keep everything status quo, they hope, for the most part.

It's not even an NRA starting position.

The NRA position is that people should be able to arm themselves if they choose to do so. Part of having the right to do something is the freedom to choose NOT to do that thing. Without that, it's a mandate.

... and without adequate (or, possibly, impossible to implement) controls, this right extends to a crazy man intent on mass murder.

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12/20/2012 10:57:48 AM · #880

FWIW:

This was moved to Rant, in case you haven't seen. Since I don't participate in Rant threads I will no longer be posting in this thread. Thanks for the conversations.

12/20/2012 11:27:07 AM · #881

FFS, not this again. Man, the US is great at not addressing the issues and trying to scapegoat anything or anyone except the real reasons.

edit - What baffles me is how nobody understands that in Roman times, medieval times, heck, even just 100 years ago, mankind was peaceful and loving. Ever since these video games came out thirty years ago, murder has gone through the roof.

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12/20/2012 11:48:33 AM · #882

I think that a good fix (which requires everyones participation)...we need to teach values and morals. We need to encourage the children to join groups like the boy scouts or girl scouts where values are really emphasized. Parents need to raise their kids...don't assume the school will do it for you. Also parents should not buy rated M for mature games for young children to play. They shouldnt take them to see R rated movies...etc. This is not an instant solution...we need to be in the midset that was in place in the 50's

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12/20/2012 11:53:36 AM · #883

Originally posted by Venser:

Oh no, don't taek my Black Ops II away !!! :-(

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12/20/2012 12:04:19 PM · #884

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Also parents should not buy rated M for mature games for young children to play. They shouldnt take them to see R rated movies...etc.

Why? There's no causal relationship that violent video games leads people to be violent themselves. In the US, most rated R movies are because of sexual content, not violence.

Again, these are bandaid solutions just like the other side advocating banning all guns.

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12/20/2012 12:08:44 PM · #885

Originally posted by Venser:

What baffles me is how nobody understands that in Roman times, medieval times, heck, even just 100 years ago, mankind was peaceful and loving. Ever since these video games came out thirty years ago, murder has gone through the roof.

Yeah, those family-fun Roman gladiators and animal fights, medieval jousts and bloody tournaments, witch burnings, indian raids, Wild West shootouts and 1900's gangster wars just can't compare to the modern carnage that is Halo.

12/20/2012 12:17:10 PM · #886

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Also parents should not buy rated M for mature games for young children to play. They shouldnt take them to see R rated movies...etc.
Why? There's no causal relationship that violent video games leads people to be violent themselves. In the US, most rated R movies are because of sexual content, not violence.

Again, these are bandaid solutions just like the other side advocating banning all guns.

The reason behind not allowing the children to have that is to bring back morals to our society.....Oh and might I add...adult should not cuss around kids either...Our society as a whole (not just in the US) has lost our values

12/20/2012 12:17:59 PM · #887

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

How about mandatory service enlistment.

everyone at age 18-20, one or two year service minimum, you can choose to stay longer. you can choose military, you can choose some sort of humanitarian service, domestic, abroad, whatever.

you return mature and ready to go to college if you choose or you can peruse a path in the service.

i heard this proposed in the past. just throwing it out there as an idea.

12/20/2012 12:20:19 PM · #888

Just wanted to pop in with something to reset the mind.
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Watch it, you'll be glad you did, even if you don't speak Spanish.

Frankly, THIS is the solution to all of our problems - but good luck with implementing.

12/20/2012 12:21:07 PM · #889

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I think that a good fix (which requires everyones participation)...we need to teach values and morals. We need to encourage the children to join groups like the boy scouts or girl scouts where values are really emphasized. Parents need to raise their kids...don't assume the school will do it for you. Also parents should not buy rated M for mature games for young children to play. They shouldnt take them to see R rated movies...etc. This is not an instant solution...we need to be in the midset that was in place in the 50's

How about mandatory service enlistment.

everyone at age 18-20, one or two year service minimum, you can choose to stay longer. you can choose military, you can choose some sort of humanitarian service, domestic, abroad, whatever.

you return mature and ready to go to college if you choose or you can peruse a path in the service.

i heard this proposed in the past. just throwing it out there as an idea.

Not sure the military is the best source of morals, but national service is a fine idea, it has worked well in Germany.

12/20/2012 12:21:27 PM · #890

Originally posted by Venser:

And in those times they were taught to fight and to kill. Life was not as valuable in midieval or roman times than it is now. They also had a much shorter life expectancy

So you are saying that the roman gladiators were peaceful and loving???

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12/20/2012 12:22:26 PM · #891

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I think that a good fix (which requires everyones participation)...we need to teach values and morals. We need to encourage the children to join groups like the boy scouts or girl scouts where values are really emphasized. Parents need to raise their kids...don't assume the school will do it for you. Also parents should not buy rated M for mature games for young children to play. They shouldnt take them to see R rated movies...etc. This is not an instant solution...we need to be in the midset that was in place in the 50's

How about mandatory service enlistment.

everyone at age 18-20, one or two year service minimum, you can choose to stay longer. you can choose military, you can choose some sort of humanitarian service, domestic, abroad, whatever.

you return mature and ready to go to college if you choose or you can peruse a path in the service.

i heard this proposed in the past. just throwing it out there as an idea.

Not sure the military is the best source of morals, but national service is a fine idea, it has worked well in Germany.

right, national service, you don't have to enlist in military if you don't want to, but can as an alternative.

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12/20/2012 12:22:56 PM · #892

Originally posted by Melethia:

Originally posted by LydiaToo:
Interesting... Conneticut shooting Thoughts

Wow. Just wow. Really? If this is the way people think of their "government" then perhaps the Mayan apocalypse is a good thing. Do folks not realize that their "government" is their next door neighbor? The guy they went to high school with? And average Joe working a 9 to 5, hoping to go somewhere nice on vacation? The vast majority of Americans don't want guns taken away; polls clearly say so. And seriously, how would you get the liberal media to go along?

I guess everyone really is out to get everyone else. No one has any compassion, any care for fellow human beings at all. Bring it on, Mayans. I'm done. I needn't be in this kind of world anymore.

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12/20/2012 12:23:04 PM · #893

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Originally posted by Venser:
What baffles me is how nobody understands that in Roman times, medieval times, heck, even just 100 years ago, mankind was peaceful and loving. Ever since these video games came out thirty years ago, murder has gone through the roof.

And in those times they were taught to fight and to kill. Life was not as valuable in midieval or roman times than it is now. They also had a much shorter life expectancy

So you are saying that the roman gladiators were peaceful and loving???

missed the sarcasm tags, huh?

12/20/2012 12:25:38 PM · #894

Originally posted by mike_311:

I have said this very thing before..just not on this thread....The military might not teach all the morals but it would make people grow up...and to figure out that freeloading is a bad thing. So it would contribute to a more productive population. It would actually help in alot of areas

12/20/2012 12:30:40 PM · #895

Just a small perspective check.

We can fear crazy gunmen all we wish, but they are still an extremely rare problem - this is what scares the daylights out of me..

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12/20/2012 12:40:23 PM · #896

Originally posted by Cory:

Just a small perspective check.

We can fear crazy gunmen all we wish, but they are still an extremely rare problem - this is what scares the daylights out of me..

i agree.

Melethia

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12/20/2012 01:04:41 PM · #897

Originally posted by Cory:

Just a small perspective check.

We can fear crazy gunmen all we wish, but they are still an extremely rare problem - this is what scares the daylights out of me..

What is it? I am using the phone to check in at work and often cannot get video to come in (crappy signal strength).

12/20/2012 01:06:38 PM · #898

Originally posted by Melethia:

Originally posted by Cory:
Just a small perspective check.

We can fear crazy gunmen all we wish, but they are still an extremely rare problem - this is what scares the daylights out of me..

What is it? I am using the phone to check in at work and often cannot get video to come in (crappy signal strength).

A very emotive video about car accidents.