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12/19/2012 08:43:47 PM · #751 |
Let's turn our schools into the Wild West .
All those guns in the school would make it less terrifying?
When I picture all those teachers and principals packing heat... The bullshit thought that is!
It might make sense to a soldier, but back at home the war is over, and needs to be.
I sleep sadly, but soundly knowing this tragedy will usher in a new era of restrictions. |
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12/19/2012 08:49:42 PM · #752 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by mike_311:
so this guy went there with the intent to kill, he was worried that he may be shot to keep him from reaching his high score so he wore a vest. |
Nope. He shot himself before he was even confronted by police, and with hundreds of rounds remaining. We're also probably NOT talking about a rational person here. Cowboy just a posted a clip of a home invasion where the intruders proceeded with knives for 20 minutes despite a growling german shepherd and a woman armed with two guns. |
my point was, he didn't care if we was going to be met with opposition. in fact he expected it. he needed to stay alive long enough to kill as many people as possible before he offed himself.
a main argument has been that these creeps may think twice if the target may be armed. clearly not here. |
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12/19/2012 08:50:42 PM · #753 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
When I picture all those teachers and principals packing heat... |
Teachers make news somewhere on an almost daily basis for doing something crazy, irresponsible or criminal vs. maybe one school rampage every year or two. Chances are... |
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12/19/2012 08:52:28 PM · #754 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
my point was, he didn't care if we was going to be met with opposition. in fact he expected it. he needed to stay alive long enough to kill as many people as possible before he offed himself. |
True. I've made that point before. |
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12/19/2012 08:53:48 PM · #755 |
Its really amazing the lack of compassion here that exists for the children that were murdered. The defense of guns against all else and suggestions for further arming people is clearly an indication that people value guns over lives.
There is a certain lack of respect for those killed and those families when you try to compare fighter planes, alligators, cars, knives, etc. to what happened. These conversations are becoming circular and each time leading back to the indefensible position that a gun was used to kill a lot of people quickly.
Its not just here. People across other media venues are saying many of the same things here in their comments to articles. There was even an article in CT saying that gun sales were up partially because of fear of new laws. Yes, I know there was also one in another state, but this article was in the state where the children were killed.
These words, these actions speak louder than anything and simply says people just don't care about those children. Those actions say "good thing it wasn't me, too bad for them".
These postings here will continue to no end as people in this society are just not mature enough to get along. It gets worse every year. So much crap now than when we were kids. It is just simply "all about me, and screw the rest".
Its a sad, pessimistic view, but, can you really argue against that?
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12/19/2012 08:55:03 PM · #756 |
We can only hope.
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I sleep sadly, but soundly knowing this tragedy will usher in a new era of restrictions. |
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12/19/2012 08:58:24 PM · #757 |
you want to talk about lack of compassion, don't even get me started.
how about the televising of the funerals. The ultimate reality show. Everyone can now mourn vicariously with the family knowing they can turn off the tv and their life goes back to being just fine. They get their emotional fix with no real loss in their lives. Sickening.
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12/19/2012 09:03:14 PM · #758 |
Originally posted by PGerst:
It is just simply "all about me, and screw the rest". |
With rare exceptions, it's the same people with the same attitude on guns, taxes, social programs, climate change, church and state, gay marriage... |
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12/19/2012 09:14:48 PM · #759 |
Originally posted by Cory:
As for no-one advocating to ban weapons. Bullshit. That's exactly what you are advocating for, you just don't have the balls to say it, or you think it's an unreasonable goal. |
The corrollary to this is that those advocating for guns just like them and should stop using bullshit arguments to support said like.
But let's not paint things too black and white- I think plenty of folks who support gun ownership do not want to use their weapon, are responsible, and are generally good folks. I know plenty of them. But there are also those who throw out crap arguments to justify their need to feel powerful for whatever reason. Appropriately, there are those who feel changes should be made in gun legislation but do not feel the need to ban them outright, and there are those who see that as a necessity, but don't miss the fact that there is a spectrum on both sides here.
For every irresponsible asshat with an AK47 I've found in the forest spraying rounds dangerously and leaving ammo all over the place, I also know an extremely responsible individual who takes ownership seriously.
Perhaps the gun lobby would gain more credence if it was trying to reign in these "bad apples" and make them look bad instead of encouraging and enabling them. |
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12/19/2012 09:26:06 PM · #760 |
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
[quote=Cory]
Perhaps the gun lobby would gain more credence if it was trying to reign in these "bad apples" and make them look bad instead of encouraging and enabling them. |
 Spiritualspatula, Wonderful words. And, unfortunately you're mostly preaching to the choir.
so, utilizing the inventive brains of this forum, how do we get this very basic message across?
Message edited by author 2012-12-19 21:27:00. |
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12/19/2012 09:31:19 PM · #761 |
I am just glad that where I live is under "castle" law...and has expanded the "castle" to your vehicle...I have no prob putting a few rounds through my driver door...to stave off a person trying to carjack me...Atleast I would protect the people in my vehicle and my home
Message edited by author 2012-12-19 21:31:37.
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12/19/2012 09:36:31 PM · #762 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I am just glad that where I live is under "castle" law...and has expanded the "castle" to your vehicle...I have no prob putting a few rounds through my driver door...to stave off a person trying to carjack me...Atleast I would protect the people in my vehicle and my home |
Forgive me for asking, Cowboy, but what the heck have you got, a Maserati that you are defending so sincerely? |
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12/19/2012 09:41:01 PM · #763 |
only in america and an american who is in love with america can have the audacity to live in a world where he thinks that its ok to invade other countries and preach to other societies about freedom and what is right and wrong can go home and have his own freedom removed from him and still believe in the self righteous fact that having a weapon is the only way to defend yourself in civilised society against other human beings, especially ones driven to taking up a weapon in the first place!
The idiocy of the threads in here by some individuals pertaining to having a weapon that is not on a farm dealing with predatory animals encroaching on their defenseless animals and children is absolutely laughable, let alone semi and autmatic weapons.
only americans feel safe with a weapon in hand, and thats because of the state of america as it is and thats down to things that i have spoken about on here in the past due to society and indoctrination and ridiculous laws, government, idiology, nationalism and many more factors that need to be resolved... before america is to evolve into a state of humanity, people talk of communism etc.. liberal, etc.. all labels to justify that they are somehow different and not under control of their own government and being fed mindless BS. The chinese maybe oppressed in a more easily seen way, but americans with hand guns and rhetoric for the countries flag waving god bless us crap and citing i go to war to protect our rights rubbish dont even know theyre being controlled and manipulated... please grow up, grow a brain, and try thinking about the reality of human life and those who have and are affected forever by any violence whether it be from a gun, a beating, a knife, a soldier, a villian, a normal person or an animal... because its no different and until you start realising it you will never evolve past the animal in you!
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12/19/2012 09:52:08 PM · #764 |
Originally posted by GAP2012:
only in america and an american who is in love with america... |
Now that should provote a response Gary. :) |
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12/19/2012 09:52:26 PM · #765 |
| why do you have to lump all of us together? |
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12/19/2012 09:59:06 PM · #766 |
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I am just glad that where I live is under "castle" law...and has expanded the "castle" to your vehicle...I have no prob putting a few rounds through my driver door...to stave off a person trying to carjack me...Atleast I would protect the people in my vehicle and my home |
Forgive me for asking, Cowboy, but what the heck have you got, a Maserati that you are defending so sincerely? |
no I absolutely hate a thief....I have a chevy Z71 4 door truck... I just hate fee-loaders that think they can take what they want.
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12/19/2012 10:02:54 PM · #767 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
why do you have to lump all of us together? |
i dont but unfortunately it seems the only way to make a point here is to get down to others levels on here who constantly want to ignore the plain facts... if you generalise you can win an argument/discussion and you can feel like your right regardless...
the situation none of them want to acknowledge is the facts that society especially in america has devolved not evolved, but no instead of looking at the source of the issues and chanting about the need for guns or not and blaming everyone else but society and how it is and how we've all let it slip into the hands of the wrong people, we sit here watching ridiculous comments about weapons! and not how they shouldve been prevented years ago!
there are societies that have peaceful lives without fear of gun toting yehaw screaming people, whether they be a bad guy, policeman, military, mental, or joe blog who just woke up on the wrong side of bed and remembered he had a gun in the closet... its laughable that a civilised society cannot discuss in peace and with rational thought the real source of the problem and resolve those things let alone take a mans gun(childs toy) away from him just because he has the rights by an outdated law that he wants to hold up as high as any god given human right of all humans the right to live in peace and from fear of another human being... jeez its pure madness... so there you go! lolal |
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12/19/2012 10:04:09 PM · #768 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I am just glad that where I live is under "castle" law...and has expanded the "castle" to your vehicle...I have no prob putting a few rounds through my driver door...to stave off a person trying to carjack me...Atleast I would protect the people in my vehicle and my home |
Forgive me for asking, Cowboy, but what the heck have you got, a Maserati that you are defending so sincerely? |
no I absolutely hate a thief....I have a chevy Z71 4 door truck... I just hate fee-loaders that think they can take what they want. |
There's probably one or two people around who aren't that fond of folks who believe it's acceptable to shoot someone without warning thru the door of their car too. Just putting it out there.... |
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12/19/2012 10:07:39 PM · #769 |
| i think you will find times are changing. Most of us feel as if this last incident was the tipping point. We simply cannot continue on this current pace. |
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12/19/2012 10:08:17 PM · #770 |
Originally posted by Qiki:
Originally posted by GAP2012:
only in america and an american who is in love with america... |
Now that should provote a response Gary. :) |
hahahaha yes and im sure it'll be taken out of context and used against me, along with the come down to others levels in my last post as thinking im some how better than anyone else... all will sadly and humourously be used as gun to shoot me with and claim self defence no doubt ;O) lolal |
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12/19/2012 10:15:19 PM · #771 |
Good ole Bob Dylan
(shh...I secretly really like the Keb Mo version)
Originally posted by mike_311:
i think you will find times are changing. |
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12/19/2012 10:15:38 PM · #772 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i think you will find times are changing. Most of us feel as if this last incident was the tipping point. We simply cannot continue on this current pace. |
unfortunately ive heard too much to suggest otherwise, until corporations and organisations like the NRA etc are stopped from funding and interferring in politics, and politicians stop being funded by other than a small amount and selected by the people for the people and truly represents everyones interests then nothing will change... and it wont cause money speaks... oh how the majority fall! we the people have the power yet we allow the minority to still rule regardless of calling themselves, prime minister, president, prince, or dictator they are all the same in just different guises and in a country where money has the biggest power and has proven time and again it cares not about small children being slain or gunmen and how they evolved into taking those lives and more about guns and so called freedom and more about the next presidential debate and war they roll into in the name of defending all that.. then nothing will change full stop.. sorry i have no hope for american or most western societies that value human life by the $ than their worth as a human being... |
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12/19/2012 10:21:45 PM · #773 |
it all depends how long we stay up in arms about this, no pun intended.
i hate to say it but it helped having two incidents so close together and god forbid a third happens, the NRA may as well fold up shop. |
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12/19/2012 10:23:54 PM · #774 |
Originally posted by Qiki:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by sfalice:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I am just glad that where I live is under "castle" law...and has expanded the "castle" to your vehicle...I have no prob putting a few rounds through my driver door...to stave off a person trying to carjack me...Atleast I would protect the people in my vehicle and my home |
Forgive me for asking, Cowboy, but what the heck have you got, a Maserati that you are defending so sincerely? |
no I absolutely hate a thief....I have a chevy Z71 4 door truck... I just hate fee-loaders that think they can take what they want. |
There's probably one or two people around who aren't that fond of folks who believe it's acceptable to shoot someone without warning thru the door of their car too. Just putting it out there.... |
No this is in a car jacking situation...I am not saying that I would point a weapon at someone walking past my truck...However if they approach my vehicle with a weapon they will have a choice....Look I don't want to go out shooting people...however...if my safety or the safety of the people with me are in jeopardy then I am ready
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12/19/2012 10:24:57 PM · #775 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Cory:
guns DO NOT MAKE YOU SAFER. They make the criminals question whether or not you're armed - it's a MAD thing |
This particular gunman wore a bulletproof vest, so he was expecting to be shot at, then he shot himself to death. Bad Guy: 2, MAD: 0 |
Agreed, and that's the reason why basically no amount of prevention can really prevent this. If someone is willing to die for something, stopping them is damned near impossible. |
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