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 12/19/2012 01:47:58 PM · #626
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
I'm arriving late to this discussion, so forgive me if I'm repeating a question that has already been discussed. But I'd like to know from those who support gun rights why an automatic and semi-automatic weapons ban is objectionable. Can you not defend yourself, or target practice, or hunt with a gun/rifle that shoots only three or four bullets at a time?

One of the Supremes (I'm not sure if it's Justice Alito or Scalia), holds, as a strict Constitutional originalist, that the right to bear arms under the Second Amendment only holds for weapons available at the time of its ratification. I doubt these school massacres could be carried out with a muzzle-loading musket and a brace of flintlock pistols ... maybe if he could have wheeled a 12-lb cannon into the play yard without anyone noticing ...
 12/19/2012 01:50:40 PM · #627
im still waiting to hear someone make good point on why we need guns.
 12/19/2012 01:53:23 PM · #628
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Sometimes you need more than one shot...I would not dream of going hunting without a semi-automatic. I am a decent shot but sometimes I miss. Also if you have a home invasion where you have multiple people coming after you it pays to have a semi


It sounds like a movie scene... would you fire like that with your relatives in the house. It scares me more than people 'invading' my house.
 12/19/2012 01:56:08 PM · #629
Originally posted by Spork99:


There are so many more ways one can fail. There's only 1 shot, if you miss with that, you die. If the assailant is enraged or on drugs, the darts may make contact and not slow him down. If they are wearing a heavy coat, the darts may stick in that and have no effect.


kind of like the guns in existence when the 2nd amendment was passed?

the weapons technology has surpassed what the amendment may have intended for it to cover.

Message edited by author 2012-12-19 13:58:18.
 12/19/2012 02:00:27 PM · #630
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Sometimes you need more than one shot...I would not dream of going hunting without a semi-automatic. I am a decent shot but sometimes I miss. Also if you have a home invasion where you have multiple people coming after you it pays to have a semi


It sounds like a movie scene... would you fire like that with your relatives in the house. It scares me more than people 'invading' my house.


You mean Scarface? Yeah it does. Don't seem to remember it turning out so well for Tony Montana.
 12/19/2012 02:09:32 PM · #631
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Sometimes you need more than one shot...I would not dream of going hunting without a semi-automatic. I am a decent shot but sometimes I miss. Also if you have a home invasion where you have multiple people coming after you it pays to have a semi


It sounds like a movie scene... would you fire like that with your relatives in the house. It scares me more than people 'invading' my house.


I was taught to "double tap" or "tripple tap" the individual that I am shooting. This means 2 or 3 bullets per target.
 12/19/2012 02:14:51 PM · #632
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Sometimes you need more than one shot...I would not dream of going hunting without a semi-automatic. I am a decent shot but sometimes I miss. Also if you have a home invasion where you have multiple people coming after you it pays to have a semi


It sounds like a movie scene... would you fire like that with your relatives in the house. It scares me more than people 'invading' my house.


I was taught to "double tap" or "tripple tap" the individual that I am shooting. This means 2 or 3 bullets per target.


Let me get this right, it takes away your personal liberties when you are not able to "double tap" anymore? What about my personal liberties of not having to fear gun violence?
 12/19/2012 02:16:12 PM · #633
no you miss understand.... The "double tap" is to make sure the job is done and you no longer have a threat.
 12/19/2012 02:18:08 PM · #634
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
no you miss understand.... The "double tap" is to make sure the job is done and you no longer have a threat.
or a lawsuit.
 12/19/2012 02:18:40 PM · #635
Originally posted by mike_311:
im still waiting to hear someone make good point on why we need guns.
.... Obviously you haven't been reading. If we get rid of the guns then only criminals will have them. At this stage they'll have free reign and go hog wild doing as they please with the unarmed populace.
 12/19/2012 02:19:37 PM · #636
Or you fix our irrational obsession with guns and you don't have a threat to begin with. Wouldn't you rather there not be a threat at all, saving you from having to kill someone?
 12/19/2012 02:20:21 PM · #637
Originally posted by bhuge:
Or you fix our irrational obsession with guns and you don't have a threat to begin with. Wouldn't you rather there not be a threat at all, saving you from having to kill someone?
Just because Japan has shown it can be done, doesn't mean it can be done.
 12/19/2012 02:20:43 PM · #638
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Alexkc:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Sometimes you need more than one shot...I would not dream of going hunting without a semi-automatic. I am a decent shot but sometimes I miss. Also if you have a home invasion where you have multiple people coming after you it pays to have a semi


It sounds like a movie scene... would you fire like that with your relatives in the house. It scares me more than people 'invading' my house.


I was taught to "double tap" or "tripple tap" the individual that I am shooting. This means 2 or 3 bullets per target.

Seriously, does this bit of morbidity need to be said? Last week's shooter "tapped" his victims as many as eleven times. So was he taught extra well? You like guns A LOT, I get it. And I realize you are worried someone is going to take your guns away not unlike a kid worries about getting has video game console taken away (this is how many of us see it you should know). In the interest of good taste in light of the tragedy that just happened, can't you back off this fanatical gun support for just a while? Please :)
 12/19/2012 02:21:57 PM · #639
Your tactics for infiltration and combat differ from hunting, where there are many reasons you can and should kill with a single round. The tactics of a sniper are more similar to the hunter today, where one ought not botch individual shots. Even skeet/trap shooting or pheasant/quail hunting you deserve to get laughed at if you bring a combat shotgun. Let's be realistic here.
 12/19/2012 02:24:24 PM · #640
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by bhuge:
Or you fix our irrational obsession with guns and you don't have a threat to begin with. Wouldn't you rather there not be a threat at all, saving you from having to kill someone?
Just because Japan has shown it can be done, doesn't mean it can be done.


Many countries have done it, some to various degrees of success, but I have yet to see it cause more harm than good.
 12/19/2012 02:25:00 PM · #641
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Your tactics for infiltration and combat differ from hunting, where there are many reasons you can and should kill with a single round. The tactics of a sniper are more similar to the hunter today, where one ought not botch individual shots. Even skeet/trap shooting or pheasant/quail hunting you deserve to get laughed at if you bring a combat shotgun. Let's be realistic here.


Well again I live in Louisiana and we have aligators...If you get one of those after you...you had better have more than one shot
 12/19/2012 02:27:13 PM · #642
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:
Your tactics for infiltration and combat differ from hunting, where there are many reasons you can and should kill with a single round. The tactics of a sniper are more similar to the hunter today, where one ought not botch individual shots. Even skeet/trap shooting or pheasant/quail hunting you deserve to get laughed at if you bring a combat shotgun. Let's be realistic here.


Well again I live in Louisiana and we have aligators...If you get one of those after you...you had better have more than one shot


Are you just toying with us now? You can't seriously be promoting semi-automatic guns on the basis of alligator attacks.
 12/19/2012 02:27:43 PM · #643
Originally posted by Venser:
If we get rid of the guns then only criminals will have them.

Just like only criminals have hand grenades and RPGs.
 12/19/2012 02:28:41 PM · #644
How does one go about getting the guns off the bad guys?
It's easy to say take away the guns but how can it be done?
If a law is passed that says NO MORE GUNS, you can't expect the average Joe to turn his gun in until he's assured that all the bad guys already turned thiers in.
 12/19/2012 02:30:09 PM · #645
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Venser:
If we get rid of the guns then only criminals will have them.

Just like only criminals have hand grenades and RPGs.

Exactly!

Hopefully y'all knew I was being sarcastic.
 12/19/2012 02:34:55 PM · #646
That was just one of many exaples...How about wild boars.

ok in the US there were 8,583 firearm murders

current population of US is 311,591,917

that means that for 36303 people there is 1 murder...
 12/19/2012 02:37:09 PM · #647
Originally posted by nygold:
How does one go about getting the guns off the bad guys?
It's easy to say take away the guns but how can it be done?
If a law is passed that says NO MORE GUNS, you can't expect the average Joe to turn his gun in until he's assured that all the bad guys already turned thiers in.


//www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/12/camden_county_gun_buyback_is_m.html
 12/19/2012 02:38:14 PM · #648
Originally posted by nygold:
How does one go about getting the guns off the bad guys?
It's easy to say take away the guns but how can it be done?
If a law is passed that says NO MORE GUNS, you can't expect the average Joe to turn his gun in until he's assured that all the bad guys already turned thiers in.

IF that were on the table (it isn't), you'd have a buyback program, make it so anyone caught with a gun faces steep punishment and offer rewards for tips. Basically what they did in Rio.

Message edited by author 2012-12-19 14:39:24.
 12/19/2012 02:38:51 PM · #649
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
That was just one of many exaples...How about wild boars.

ok in the US there were 8,583 firearm murders

And how many people were killed by wild boars?
 12/19/2012 02:38:58 PM · #650
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
That was just one of many exaples...How about wild boars.
Now you're trolling. Quit being an ass monkey.

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
ok in the US there were 8,583 firearm murders

current population of US is 311,591,917

that means that for 36303 people there is 1 murder...

In Japan for 2006, the number was 1 murder in 63,883,997 people; orders of magnitude apart. Why shouldn't the US strive for those kinds of statistics instead?

And are you really saying that 1 in every 35000 isn't a terrible number? Are you for real?
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