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12/18/2012 02:09:20 PM · #451

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

I found this article pretty interesting. Whatever needs to be done, it needs to be stronger/different than the assault rifle ban that expired in 2004. I see no difference before and after 2004.

Are mass shootings becoming more common in the US?

that is a good article and makes a great point at the end.

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12/18/2012 02:09:53 PM · #452

Originally posted by Spork99:

Because the "professionals" don't get paid to act in your best interest.

I am a health "professional" and I get do paid to look after my clients' best interests, and so do my co-workers. Don't go confusing those who actually take care of people with the pharmaceutical industry or insurance executives who are looking out for the bottom line ...

blindjustice

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12/18/2012 02:16:34 PM · #453

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by Spork99:
Because the "professionals" don't get paid to act in your best interest.

I am a health "professional" and I get do paid to look after my clients' best interests, and so do my co-workers. Don't go confusing those who actually take care of people with the pharmaceutical industry or insurance executives who are looking out for the bottom line ...

Come on General, we know you have a sponsorship from Smith Glaxo Kline...

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12/18/2012 02:21:43 PM · #454

Full disclosure: the only medication we dispense is made by Mallinckrodt; I have never taken it myself. Last year I got a free pen and a tin of mints from the company from which we purchase plastic bottles.

Unlike most health care situations, I am free to take as much time as I want with clients.

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12/18/2012 02:27:58 PM · #455

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Last year I got a free pen and a tin of mints from the company from which we purchase plastic bottles.

sorry, you clearly have been compromised. your opinion is no longer valid.

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 14:36:20.

Strikeslip

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12/18/2012 02:51:51 PM · #456

Originally posted by GeneralE:

... those who actually take care of people with the pharmaceutical industry or insurance executives who are looking out for the bottom line ...

My brother used to work for big pharma. Now he hates them so much he refuses to get immunizations just to spite them.

Yo_Spiff

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12/18/2012 03:01:21 PM · #457

Originally posted by sfalice:

A fellow named John Gear has a fascinating idea to control gun violence.

Firearm Insurance.

An interesting read. Gun control would occur by creating a financial incentive for the industry and individuals to self-police.

The only way such a thing could get enacted, however, would be to get the NRA behind it, and that would be a tough nut to crack.

Spork99

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12/18/2012 03:04:38 PM · #458

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

If you look at what the "assault weapons" ban actually banned, you'll see that it covered firearms based on largely cosmetic features. The scary looking guns are no more deadly than the not scary looking guns.

blindjustice

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12/18/2012 03:16:09 PM · #459

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Last year I got a free pen and a tin of mints from the company from which we purchase plastic bottles.

sorry, you clearly have been compromised. your opinion is no longer valid.

Never take mints from a medical supply company.

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12/18/2012 03:22:38 PM · #460

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Last year I got a free pen and a tin of mints from the company from which we purchase plastic bottles.

sorry, you clearly have been compromised. your opinion is no longer valid.

Never take mints from a medical supply company.

The mints are still in the tin ... ;-)

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12/18/2012 03:37:50 PM · #461

interesting i just reposted that link on facebook and mom mom commented that she deosn't believe it to be the case. she says she never worried about me and my siblings in school but now worries to death about her grandkids becuase these things happen more often now.

I reminded her that when i was in third grade, there was a 5th grade girl murdered, stabbed over 100 times by a boy who broke into her home in the morning and we had a 6th grade safety patrol kid shoot himself in the face with a gun he found lying on school grounds while school was getting out. we also had a racial riot break out in high school. but she never feared sending me to school.

some crazy nut goes crazy and massacres a bunch of school children hundreds of miles away in a localized incident and she all the sudden fears the safety of my kids.

yeah, im sure the media sensationalism plays no part in this.

cowboy221977

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12/18/2012 03:44:18 PM · #462

Here is a good read...It is an opinion piece...but still a good read

Link

Venser

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12/18/2012 03:44:30 PM · #463

Originally posted by mike_311:

yeah, im sure the media sensationalism plays no part in this.

Of course it does.
I remember about a decade ago when we were subjugated to the following, although I forget the actual order of them happening:
Summer of the killer bees - nothing came of it.
Summer of the shark attack - actual shark attacks were down, media reports up.
Summer of kidnapping - actual kidnapping numbers were down, media reports up.

Summer of [insert fear mongering whatever here] - don't report the actual numbers, just sensationalize and run with it.

Anyone else remember those?

Spork99

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12/18/2012 03:45:59 PM · #464

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by sfalice:
A fellow named John Gear has a fascinating idea to control gun violence.

Firearm Insurance.

An interesting read. Gun control would occur by creating a financial incentive for the industry and individuals to self-police.

The only way such a thing could get enacted, however, would be to get the NRA behind it, and that would be a tough nut to crack.

This would work IF gun ownership was a privilege the way owning a car is a privilege. The costs associated with insurance, storage costs (at the range) will likely be interpreted as a barrier to enjoying the right to bear arms.

If the government creates significant barriers to prevent a person from enjoying a guaranteed right, it stops being a right and becomes a privilege. That would require changes to the Bill of Rights and I'm pretty sure that's a non-starter.

I think anything that means more business for the insurance industry is a bad idea.

Venser

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12/18/2012 03:50:30 PM · #465

Isn't it obvious by now that we should ban schools? If the students aren't being illegally seduced by teachers or being fed government-mandated crap food, they're being shot at as easy targets. They're continually underfunding teacher's pensions, nobody is ever happy with the curriculum, and if they aren't getting sued by somebody having a hissy fit, they're planning to do something that will get them sued.

scalvert

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12/18/2012 03:57:51 PM · #466

Originally posted by mike_311:

Mother knows best. While individual events are not uncommon, there have been 17 major school rampages in the U.S.. Three of them before 1984, and 11 since 1998.

12/18/2012 04:00:33 PM · #467

Originally posted by Spork99:

i would love bear arms, i'd like to see someone f**k with me if i had bear arms.

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 16:00:57.

12/18/2012 04:03:18 PM · #468

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by mike_311:
interesting i just reposted that link on facebook and mom mom commented that she deosn't believe it to be the case. she says she never worried about me and my siblings in school but now worries to death about her grandkids becuase these things happen more often now.

Mother knows best. While individual events are not uncommon, there have been 17 major school rampages in the U.S.. Three of them before 1984, and 11 since 1998.

interesting that's when Apple became prevalent again.

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12/18/2012 04:03:31 PM · #469

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

This would work IF gun ownership was a privilege the way owning a car is a privilege. The costs associated with insurance, storage costs (at the range) will likely be interpreted as a barrier to enjoying the right to bear arms.

i would love bear arms, i'd like to see someone f**k with me if i had bear arms.

You know, spelling WAS rather inconsistent in those days, and I suspect the real issue was that the militia proponents saw how much the Redcoats were hampered by those heavy red coats, and were demanding the right to bare arms ...

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12/18/2012 04:05:53 PM · #470

Originally posted by GeneralE:

hmmm, bare arms to show off their guns!

where is Gary Larsen when you need him?

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 16:06:51.

DrAchoo

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12/18/2012 04:10:48 PM · #471

Originally posted by scalvert:

But if you look at the number of "mass shootings" overall (not talking about schools in specific), then we don't see so much of a trend.

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12/18/2012 04:13:37 PM · #472

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by mike_311:
interesting i just reposted that link on facebook and mom mom commented that she deosn't believe it to be the case. she says she never worried about me and my siblings in school but now worries to death about her grandkids becuase these things happen more often now.

Mother knows best. While individual events are not uncommon, there have been 17 major school rampages in the U.S.. Three of them before 1984, and 11 since 1998.

But if you look at the number of "mass shootings" overall (not talking about schools in specific), then we don't see so much of a trend.

what the article considers mass shooting is 4 or more.

sfalice

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12/18/2012 04:19:34 PM · #473

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by sfalice:
A fellow named John Gear has a fascinating idea to control gun violence.

Firearm Insurance.

An interesting read. Gun control would occur by creating a financial incentive for the industry and individuals to self-police.

The only way such a thing could get enacted, however, would be to get the NRA behind it, and that would be a tough nut to crack.

This would work IF gun ownership was a privilege the way owning a car is a privilege. The costs associated with insurance, storage costs (at the range) will likely be interpreted as a barrier to enjoying the right to bear arms.

If the government creates significant barriers to prevent a person from enjoying a guaranteed right, it stops being a right and becomes a privilege. That would require changes to the Bill of Rights and I'm pretty sure that's a non-starter.

I think anything that means more business for the insurance industry is a bad idea.

Another quote from that article suggests:
"But again the evidence is clear: we have the current gun laws - ineffective as they are - because we have neglected a right even more important to Americans than the right to bear arms: the right to be safely unarmed.

Naturally, many gun owners will resent paying premiums because they resent assuming responsibility for risks that, so far, we've dumped on everyone else. So be it. It is only by assuming our responsibilities that we preserve our rights.

Some will note that the Second Amendment doesn't include "well-insured." But just as the press needs insurance against libel suits to exercise the First Amendment, we must assume responsibility for the risks that firearms present to society."

DrAchoo

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12/18/2012 04:24:59 PM · #474

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by mike_311:
interesting i just reposted that link on facebook and mom mom commented that she deosn't believe it to be the case. she says she never worried about me and my siblings in school but now worries to death about her grandkids becuase these things happen more often now.

Mother knows best. While individual events are not uncommon, there have been 17 major school rampages in the U.S.. Three of them before 1984, and 11 since 1998.

But if you look at the number of "mass shootings" overall (not talking about schools in specific), then we don't see so much of a trend.

what the article considers mass shooting is 4 or more.

Is that bad?