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12/18/2012 10:51:54 AM · #426

how do they define mental illness? that can be anything. fear of heights, antisocial, add.

i imagine most people are mentally ill in some respect but being flat out cookoo has got to be much, much smaller.

12/18/2012 10:56:17 AM · #427

Originally posted by mike_311:

That's why I included the link for you.

12/18/2012 10:59:58 AM · #428

Another, UNRELATED statistic I think would be interesting would be to know the percentage of gun owners in the US who are strongly religious versus the number of gun owners in the US who are not at all religious.

12/18/2012 11:26:33 AM · #429

People are too quick to blame things on mental illness...I am not referring to the current situation. If a kid doesnt do good in school, he must have a mental illness and be medicated. If someone does not like to be in a crowd, he must have a mental illness. I mean really...There are some people that fall into the mental illness category but I don't believe these statistics because they add tons of people that shouldnt be on the list.

12/18/2012 11:30:17 AM · #430

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

... I don't believe these statistics because they add tons of people that shouldnt be on the list.

You think you know more than these large groups of professionals?

12/18/2012 11:34:31 AM · #431

Thoe "professionals" are also making a fortune trating all of these "mental disorders...

If they came in and anylized all the DPC, Most if not all of us would end up with some mental disorder.

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12/18/2012 11:37:37 AM · #432

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Thoe "professionals" are also making a fortune trating all of these "mental disorders...

If they came in and anylized all the DPC, Most if not all of us would end up with some mental disorder.

I'm in awe of your genius. :-D

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12/18/2012 11:46:06 AM · #433

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
... I don't believe these statistics because they add tons of people that shouldnt be on the list.

You think you know more than these large groups of professionals?

You mean the professionals who seem all to willing to take any kid who doesn't quite fit in the mold created for him by the public school, slap an acronym on him as a diagnosis and tell the kids parents to pump his developing brain full of psychoactive drugs in order to keep him docile? The professionals who get wined and dined by the drug reps who sell those same drugs to the parents?

Then, yeah, I question them.

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Can't quite get my brain round this piece of classy children's attire.

12/18/2012 11:53:11 AM · #434

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

Thoe "professionals" are also making a fortune trating all of these "mental disorders...

If they came in and anylized all the DPC, Most if not all of us would end up with some mental disorder.

i have a friend, who has an autistic son. she is convinced that it was the vaccinations he received that made him that way and thus her daughter has never been vaccinated and she openly encourages others to follow suit. there has never been any scientific proof linking the two but becuase she believes it and she read it on the internet it must be true.

i have always found it fascinating that people think those who are professionals and have worked their adult lives practicing a certain profession are not right becuase someone can find an inconsequential correlation that happens to exist.

if we don't value the opinion of professionals, then what is the point of having them?

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12/18/2012 11:55:52 AM · #435

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12/18/2012 11:59:39 AM · #436

Originally posted by mike_311:

i have a friend, who has an autistic son. she is convinced that it was the vaccinations he received that made him that way and thus her daughter has never been vaccinated and she opening encourages other to follow suit. there has never been any scientific proof linking the two but becuase she believes it and she read it on the internet it must be true.

That's very common. Lots of anti-vacine people around who believe that. Mostly down to a very bad piece of research years ago which was totally discredited. Meanwhile, measles is making a big comeback.

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 12:00:43.

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12/18/2012 12:00:29 PM · #437

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Thoe "professionals" are also making a fortune trating all of these "mental disorders...

If they came in and anylized all the DPC, Most if not all of us would end up with some mental disorder.

i have a friend, who has an autistic son. she is convinced that it was the vaccinations he received that made him that way and thus her daughter has never been vaccinated and she opening encourages other to follow suit. there has never been any scientific proof linking the two but becuase she believes it and she read it on the internet it must be true.

i have always found it fascinating that people think those who are professionals and have worked their adult lives practicing a certain profession are not right becuase someone can find an inconsequential correlation that happens to exist.

if we don't value the opinion of professionals, than what is the point of having them?

Because the "professionals" don't get paid to act in your best interest.

12/18/2012 12:03:35 PM · #438

Originally posted by rooum:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i have a friend, who has an autistic son. she is convinced that it was the vaccinations he received that made him that way and thus her daughter has never been vaccinated and she opening encourages other to follow suit. there has never been any scientific proof linking the two but becuase she believes it and she read it on the internet it must be true.

That's very common. Lot's of anti-vacine people around who believe that. Mostly down to a very bad piece of research years ago which was totally discredited. Meanwhile, measles is making a big comeback.

look i get being skeptical, i am, but at some point you need to trust other people to do their jobs. I think a big problem is that there is no accountability to providing misinformation, anywhere. any shlub can say whatever they want about anything on the internet and people believe it. years ago no one would care and only if you had credential would your opinion carry any weight. now anyone has a voice and anyone can talk out of their ass and it's hard for everyone else to tell the difference.

12/18/2012 12:05:24 PM · #439

Originally posted by Spork99:

Because the "professionals" don't get paid to act in your best interest.

ethics is usually a big part to being a "professional". you are required put the public welfare above your own interests. im not saying its always done, maybe we ought to start stripping the unethical ones of their professional status.

i have no choice to rely that professionals are acting in my best interest, and given the choice i will, always, over the other option of listening to unsubstantiated opinion.

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 12:12:27.

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12/18/2012 12:09:30 PM · #440

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by rooum:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i have a friend, who has an autistic son. she is convinced that it was the vaccinations he received that made him that way and thus her daughter has never been vaccinated and she opening encourages other to follow suit. there has never been any scientific proof linking the two but becuase she believes it and she read it on the internet it must be true.

That's very common. Lot's of anti-vacine people around who believe that. Mostly down to a very bad piece of research years ago which was totally discredited. Meanwhile, measles is making a big comeback.

look i get being skeptical, i am, but at some point you need to trust other people to do their jobs. I think a big problem is that there is no accountability to providing misinformation, anywhere. any shlub can say whatever they want about anything on the internet and people believe it. years ago no one would care and only if you had credential would your opinion carry any weight. now anyone has a voice and anyone can talk out of their ass and it's hard for everyone else to tell the difference.

Hey, I totally agree with you. I get very annoyed with the anti-vac people and am very pro- vac myself.

12/18/2012 12:21:36 PM · #441

I didn't mean to start a firestorm here. I am not an anti-vac person...I was just making the point that if something is just the slightest bit off...then hell he's got a mental illness and needs to be medicated. People are quick to rush to the drugs...I am sure that some of that is not needed.

12/18/2012 12:37:11 PM · #442

Originally posted by cowboy221977:

it was just a example i used.

remember people are quick to rush to drugs. Doctors will prescribe for a myriad of reasons, the biggest being that the patient wants the easy solution and meets the criteria needed to take them.

I'll give you another example. my aunt is fat and doesn't live a healthy lifestyle, she had a minor heart attack. so instead of taking the hard road or changing her diet, activity, etc. she pops a pill.

we give medication to ourselves and kids becuase its easy, it calms them down so we dont have to overexert ourselves or adjust anything. people have crazy kids and medicate them so they can handle them instead of institutionalizing them like they should becuase of how it looks.

short of a court order, no one is REQUIRED to take medication. its a choice either by the patient or guardian. The doctors are providing a treatment alternatives and medication happens to be one of the treatments. So its their fault the we take the easy road?

i dont know, maybe the doctors have an obligation to practice a bit of restraint in prescribing drugs, but also maybe we as a society have a responsibility to be more responsible. Part of me thinks that doctors do it and hope for the best becuase they know the patients aren't going to make the tough choices required. they help medicate and hope the crazy people dont go really crazy.

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 12:38:23.

12/18/2012 12:44:27 PM · #443

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

...
I wanted to make a simple statement, like:
"One out of every fifty people in the USA is a gun-toting lunatic."

Using the math, 32% of US homes have one or more guns, and 6% of Americans suffer a major mental illness.

Quite a side-track... so what is an acceptable percentage to label as totally nutbar? Since you guys have such delusions of grandeur that you think you know better than the "pro's". ;-P

12/18/2012 12:49:21 PM · #444

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...
I wanted to make a simple statement, like:
"One out of every fifty people in the USA is a gun-toting lunatic."

Using the math, 32% of US homes have one or more guns, and 6% of Americans suffer a major mental illness.

Quite a side-track... so what is an acceptable percentage to label as totally nutbar? Since you guys have such delusions of grandeur that you think you know better than the "pro's". ;-P

my high school class had 250 students and 3 or 4 are certifiable nutjobs double that for those that evolved later in life. i'd say 3%.

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12/18/2012 01:21:31 PM · #445

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:

Originally posted by Strikeslip:
...
I wanted to make a simple statement, like:
"One out of every fifty people in the USA is a gun-toting lunatic."

Using the math, 32% of US homes have one or more guns, and 6% of Americans suffer a major mental illness.

Quite a side-track... so what is an acceptable percentage to label as totally nutbar? Since you guys have such delusions of grandeur that you think you know better than the "pro's". ;-P

my high school class had 250 students and 3 or 4 are certifiable nutjobs double that for those that evolved later in life. i'd say 3%.

I might even raise your 3% to 4% for a margin of error

Message edited by author 2012-12-18 13:33:26.

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12/18/2012 01:23:29 PM · #446

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Because the "professionals" don't get paid to act in your best interest.

ethics is usually a big part to being a "professional". you are required put the public welfare above your own interests. im not saying its always done, maybe we ought to start stripping the unethical ones of their professional status.

i have no choice to rely that professionals are acting in my best interest, and given the choice i will, always, over the other option of listening to unsubstantiated opinion.

I have no problem with removing unethical professionals from their profession. That's not necessarily the issue. I have a problem simply taking whatever one professional says as fact because in many cases, it's easy to find another, equally qualified and regarded professional who will offer a completely different solution to the same problem.