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11/29/2012 07:05:47 PM · #376

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
One thing I love about this place is the endless supply of popcorn

It's the analogies that keep me coming back for more. We're a ship, a poker room (with langdon as landlord), and city library (with trash piling up outside).... where to next?

Is this better?

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Message edited by author 2012-11-29 19:18:05.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

11/29/2012 07:13:27 PM · #377

Originally posted by Ivo:

The gripe is about who is tasked with sustaining this community.

That's pretty basic. This is not a corporation or a democracy. It's Langdon's site.

Seems to me the community owes it to itself to make it what it can within the parameters spelled out.....that have been in place for a decade.

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/29/2012 07:14:15 PM · #378

Oh great... now we have to scroll half a mile to the left...

Also, that message has already been put forth about three dozen times....

ETA
On the other hand, now that it's harder to post here, maybe this thread will finally die down :-)

Message edited by author 2012-11-29 19:15:02.

11/29/2012 07:18:58 PM · #379

Originally posted by tanguera:

Sorry, had to recode my message so you can enjoy this thread much more. ;-)

11/29/2012 07:22:05 PM · #380

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by Ivo:
The gripe is about who is tasked with sustaining this community.

That's pretty basic. This is not a corporation or a democracy. It's Langdon's site.

Seems to me the community owes it to itself to make it what it can within the parameters spelled out.....that have been in place for a decade.

Wow, you are the ultimate conformist Jeb! ;-)

bhuge

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/29/2012 07:37:53 PM · #381

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
One thing I love about this place is the endless supply of popcorn

It's the analogies that keep me coming back for more. We're a ship, a poker room (with langdon as landlord), and city library (with trash piling up outside).... where to next?

Is this better?

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If you really want the site to disappear, this would do it. Servers and bandwidth are not free. If Langdon lost his revenue stream, the site it toast.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

11/29/2012 07:45:37 PM · #382

Originally posted by bhuge:

Originally posted by Ivo:

Originally posted by JH:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
One thing I love about this place is the endless supply of popcorn

It's the analogies that keep me coming back for more. We're a ship, a poker room (with langdon as landlord), and city library (with trash piling up outside).... where to next?

Is this better?

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010110111101101110011001010111100100100000011000010110111001100100001000000110110101100001011110010110
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If Langdon lost his revenue stream, the site it toast.

Exactly, so maintain the relationships which provide the revenue stream then those relationships will feel good about being revenue streams and then he would use that revenue stream to find smarter ways to maintain the relationships and new relationships view this as cool and they then too would help sustain the revenue stream and ... and ... and ....

This is business 101.

Message edited by author 2012-11-29 19:46:07.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

11/29/2012 07:48:07 PM · #383

Originally posted by tanguera:

Originally posted by Spork99:
So, DPC is perfect in your eyes? Or you simply don't care enough to suggest ways that it could be made better and/or raise your voice when the leaders don't keep their promises.

ROFL!!! NOTHING is perfect :-)

Honestly "Spork", I choose my battles. Clearly, these "promises" (whichever they may be) are infinitely more important to you than they are to me, and represent some sort of monetary value to you, which they do not, to me. You do not think I care? Perhaps you have not been reading closely enough to see the suggestions I HAVE made, which are doable, right now, without further fuss or intervention from Langdon, and which would vastly improve the "community". To me, the value at DPC is not in the coding.

If they represented simply monetary value, I'd be asking for a refund. My apologies if expecting people to follow through on things they've promised to do is so horrible.

Originally posted by tanguera:

A a completely separate observation, for one who professes to value "community" as much as you say, it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name.

It's also interesting to note that there are people willing to simply attack me for disagreeing with them or others who would take information that's online and use that for illegal gain. Online, publicly my name "is" Spork and that is enough. Or perhaps to show that I value "community" I should post my name, address, phone number and SSN or why not just put my credit card #'s and passwords on my profile page too so I can have more death threat phone calls and even more fun with ID theft?

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

11/29/2012 07:49:30 PM · #384

What has this thread achieved? Has Langdon read it? Does he know this site is worth at least 3x annual revenue he gets? Why doesn't he put it out for sale and get some money for it? Why have an asset and let its worth dwindle away?

Spork99

OM System OM-1

11/29/2012 07:50:16 PM · #385

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name.

I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind"

I thought his last name was Enbeans.

Poor guy. He's soooo toast.

But I'm winning.

Digipixer

Canon Power Shot SX10 IS

11/29/2012 07:54:15 PM · #386

Apparently so is Langdon.

Denielle

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

11/29/2012 08:07:08 PM · #387

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by MNet:
PROACTIVE PROPOSAL - SELL this site to someone who will treat it as a BUSINESS and give it badly needed UPDATES, REFRESH the tired look, ADVERTIZE to get NEW MEMBERS etc. Make DPC a REAL COMPETITION for MANY, MANY NEW photo sites.

For what reason? What's the motivation? Why on any level should Langdon remotely consider your thoughts? Because you harangue him repeatedly?

You seem to suggest that he either doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't treat the site properly, isn't doing much of anything right....

Hello? Where's your site? You know, the one YOU started ten years ago and still have a happy base even if it's running on autopilot.

You're so freakin' smart, YOU start and run that better site the way you know it should be done.

You do nothing but complain.....nothing. Why would anyone have the remotest interest in what you want. Especially the owner of a site that you constantly and resoundingly thrash.

you've said it better than I could!!!

and Art, pass the popcorn!!!

Denielle

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

11/29/2012 08:08:12 PM · #388

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name.

I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind"

I thought his last name was Enbeans.

Poor guy. He's soooo toast.

But I'm winning.

in case you didn't really realize, this isn't the "last wins" thread. :P

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

11/29/2012 08:08:25 PM · #389

Originally posted by MNet:

Does anyone know what the revenue is?

Spork99

OM System OM-1

11/29/2012 08:14:10 PM · #390

Originally posted by Denielle:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name.

I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind"

I thought his last name was Enbeans.

Poor guy. He's soooo toast.

But I'm winning.

in case you didn't really realize, this isn't the "last wins" thread. :P

Doesn't matter.

Denielle

Canon EOS-7D Mark II

Canon EF-S 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM

11/29/2012 08:20:04 PM · #391

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by Denielle:

Originally posted by Spork99:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by TrollMan:

Originally posted by tanguera:
... it's interesting to note that you won't even share your first name.

I believe Sporks last name is Rind. "Mr. Spork Rind"

I thought his last name was Enbeans.

Poor guy. He's soooo toast.

But I'm winning.

in case you didn't really realize, this isn't the "last wins" thread. :P

Doesn't matter.

Lol....
that's right...
Spork always wins

smardaz

11/29/2012 08:23:15 PM · #392

Originally posted by MNet:

We get it. You think he should sell it. Duly noted.

bassbone

Nikon Z8

Nikon NIKKOR Z 24-120 f/4 S

11/29/2012 08:27:39 PM · #393

Originally posted by MNet:

Originally posted by MNet:
What has this thread achieved? Has Langdon read it? Does he know this site is worth at least 3x annual revenue he gets? Why doesn't he put it out for sale and get some money for it? Why have an asset and let its worth dwindle away?

Does anyone know what the revenue is?

If you really want to know, ask Langdon directly.

11/29/2012 08:30:48 PM · #394

Originally posted by MNet:

Quick and dirty numbers suggest the site is worth $30-35,000. Used to be worth lots more.

This means nothing unless he is willing to sell.

A way to spark attention may be to have a receiving site readied which mimmicks this environment as there is little proprietary technology worth defending here. As far as I understand, members are not bound by a non-comp or non-solicitation agreement. Langdon retains rights to a library of images but not to the membership itself. The key is to offer the community a place where it can stay whole. If you look at it, the membership pays its dues to maintain the community. The site is just an environment that can be replaced much easier than the community.

Expect some push back but hey, the formula seems to work does it not?

Oh yeah, don't forget to tap your staff 3 times on the rock though before "parting" ways. ;-)

Nikon AF Micro-Nikkor 60mm f2.8D

11/29/2012 08:31:17 PM · #395

I am prepared to put 20 years worth of membership fee towards the purchase, anyone else would like to buy it out of Langdon? These days hosting with large space and big bandwidth is not expensive so the highest cost would be to refresh and to manage this site. But there are many volunteers here who would do it for free so what is stopping us from buying it out?? If it matters so much to you why not take control? Make it your own?

David Ey

Nikon D80

11/29/2012 08:36:40 PM · #396

Do the advertisers pay to place their adds on the site?......the ones non-paying people get to see.

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

11/29/2012 08:39:50 PM · #397

Originally posted by David Ey:

Do the advertisers pay to place their adds on the site?......the ones non-paying people get to see.

Yes, there are Google ads I can see in a different browser when I log out. I don't know how much this site would earn but it adds up a bit to the revenue. There is also the sale of prints and extra charge for additional space.

tanguera

Nikon D750

11/29/2012 08:48:04 PM · #398

Originally posted by MNet:

Do you realize that it is possible, even in this profit-obsessed world, that there are other motivations for doing things? And that you may be all set to buy, but that he has no intention of selling? Why don't you communicate your interest directly to him and work it out in private, instead of insisting on stirring everyone into village-burning mode. I'm serious. Contact him about this desire of yours and work it out with him. In private. Please.

Spork, no one is "attacking" you. Speaking for myself, I am addressing each of your points directly. I have not used offensive language, nor spoken poorly of you. As someone who seems to prefer provocative language, and "unsoftened" discourse, you are awfully quick to cry wolf. In the normal course of social exchange, people give each other their names. That's it. Sorry to hear about your death threats. As such, I'd advise against posting your SS# online.

Message edited by author 2012-11-29 20:51:06.