Solarize Filter - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

04/28/2004 08:14:28 PM · #1

Can anyone tell me if the solarize filter is ok under advanced editing rules? This is a PS Elements 2.0 filter.

Ivar

Canon EOS-7D

04/28/2004 08:15:43 PM · #2

Originally posted by newtune3:

Can anyone tell me if the solarize filter is ok under advanced editing rules? This is a PS Elements 2.0 filter.

Easy on the double post there...

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

04/28/2004 08:17:55 PM · #3

Sorry, I was afraid I would not get a reply. Besides, what's the harm?

Ivar

Canon EOS-7D

04/28/2004 08:36:09 PM · #4

It seems that the filter is allowed under advanced editing rules, but not under basic rules.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/28/2004 09:32:24 PM · #5

Thanks Ivar. I appreciate your time to answer my question. I may not use it but had a great shot that worked well with it. Thanks again.

David P

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/28/2004 09:59:58 PM · #6

Originally posted by Ivar:

Easy on the double post there...

Originally posted by newtune3:

Sorry, I was afraid I would not get a reply. Besides, what's the harm?

1) It clogs up the front page, displacing other threads
2) It scatters any possible replies among multiple threads
3) It clogs up any forum search with useless/empty results
4) It annoys people
5) It's against site guidelines
6) _____________________________ (your entry here)

Message edited by author 2004-04-28 22:00:43.

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

04/29/2004 07:45:50 AM · #7

You know, sometimes you guys need to get a life. This is a fun site and I get tired of being talked to like I was a kid. Sorry if I offended you or the many others that are so good and great and perfect on this site.

David A. Paulissen

dacrazyrn

Nikon D300

04/29/2004 07:47:33 AM · #8

Originally posted by newtune3:

Sorry, I was afraid I would not get a reply. Besides, what's the harm?

You asked the question. You got an answer

cbonsall

Canon EOS-350D Rebel XT

Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for Canon

04/29/2004 08:15:16 AM · #9

you can use solarize on advanced challenges but many people may vote you down for it....

Russell2566

04/29/2004 08:23:31 AM · #10

Originally posted by cbonsall:

you can use solarize on advanced challenges but many people may vote you down for it....

I love it the site votes in the new rules with an overwhelming majority, then they penalize someone for actualy using the full or even partial girth of the rules.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/29/2004 08:29:28 AM · #11

Considering that "photographic integrity" is mentioned in the rules, how exactly does the use of the "Solarize" filter help in that regard? Sure, a lot of P&S cameras may have that "special effect" so they can add another checkmark to some marketing spec sheet (making such entries legal in even the Open Challenges if it was done in-camera), but how is solarizing a photo preserving the integrity of the photographed image? I think cbonsall's reply was spot-on. It may be legal, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Message edited by author 2004-04-29 08:29:51.

dr rick

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

04/29/2004 09:04:17 AM · #12

Actually, "photographic integrity" is no longer mentioned in the rules. They now state "Since the line between digital artwork and photo correction is often a fine one, there are limitations to what extent certain tools and techniques may be applied to a challenge entry", appoint the site council to be the judges of where the line is located, and recommend asking a site council member before submitting.

With this in mind (and ignoring the fact that voters may not like it and vote low), would the site council DQ a solarized photo? How about using curves to produce the similar Sabatier effect? It is legal (and has been used) for open challenges, but does it cross the line?

Note that both of these techniques are used in the chemical darkroom, although they are difficult to control.

EddyG

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

04/29/2004 09:45:36 AM · #13

Good call on "photographic integrity" being removed. I keep forgetting that the rules were just updated.

I would not vote to DQ a solarized entry. I base that decision on the following things: 1) Some P&S cameras have that special effect built-in already. 2) It doesn't add, remove or move "objects" in the photo, it just changes their color.

But I am just one voice in the SC. Maybe others will chime in to offer their opinion.

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/29/2004 10:20:12 AM · #14

I don't have any problem with use of the various adjustments -- I pretty much stick to Curves and the Channel Mixer myself, but I can do plenty of strange things with those to suit my needs.

I have the most problem with adding things not there, and will have to make judgement calls (sigh!) on filter effects which fall in between.

I've always wondered what the difference was between Solarize and Posterize, since they seem to produce a similar compression of the tone range. In any event, they are established traditional photographic techniques, and I see no reason (rules-wise) to not use them here.

coolhar

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

04/29/2004 11:53:47 AM · #15

Like EddyG, I had overlooked the ommission of the sentence about photographic integrity in the updated Advanced Editing rules.

Members are reminded to hold photographic integrity in the highest regard when both submitting and voting.

Was this intentional on the part of the Site Council? Or was that sentence inadvertently left out under the pressure to come up with new rules quickly?

jodiecoston

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

04/29/2004 12:18:43 PM · #16

A note on solarization - it's a process that's entirely possible to do in the darkroom, not just a creative Photoshop filter. Therefore, I don't think that solarization in and of itself actually goes against "photographic integrity".

That being said, I don't think I've ever seen the effect used where I actually liked it and thought it made a photo better. I think it's effects are rather ugly.

Canon PowerShot Pro 90 IS

04/29/2004 05:01:37 PM · #17

Wow,

When I asked this question I did so because the new rules did not seem to say anything about filters. I have indeed solarized B & W paper in the darkroom by flashing the room light on and off. The abstract challenge is what brought me to this point. Abstract is not my real cup of tea, but one of my possible entries worked very well solarized. I went back and worked it without in case the thought was that the rules prevented the filter. Now I don't know which is best. Thanks for the thoughts though. I guess I am one of the minority that thought the rules should have stayed as they were pre change. But, if the changed, maybe I must expand to be competitive.

Thanks,

David A Paulissen

coolhar

04/29/2004 06:43:02 PM · #18

newtune3--- have you tried to "contact a member of the Site Council or an administrator before submitting" as the new rules suggest? Guess you can pick which one you think will give you the more favorable opinion.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

04/29/2004 10:11:19 PM · #19

I did write a member of the site council but have not gotten a reply. Maybe I should try another.

Thanks

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

04/29/2004 10:20:49 PM · #20

It looks to me that Solarize mainly changes colors around. As I read the rules, it should be OK to use for Advanced Rules challenges, but not those run under the Basic Rules set. However, quite similar effects are available by using combinations of various adjustments, which should be legal for all challenges.

faidoi

Pentax K10D

Pentax DA 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF

04/29/2004 10:26:28 PM · #21

I could do it legally in a basic editing challenge because it's one of the features of the camera, but it's one of those effect that would probably receive lower scores.