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Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/15/2012 07:54:41 PM · #51

Define "older".

I plan on upgrading (soon). I have an Opteron 165 AMD processor on an ASUS A8N-SLI Premium board. 2G memory (2 more on the shelf). Should be old enough??

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Has anyone installed it on an older box as an upgrade to XP?

Devinder

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

11/15/2012 07:57:26 PM · #52

Originally posted by PGerst:

In the past 20 years I've only had 2 computers. My current is 6 years old. But the difference for me is that I built both of them, upgrading necessary parts as needed, and building for future needs. With that said, I think I got lucky with the first 14 years, and perhaps with the speed that technology is moving now I don't know if I'll get 8 years before having to do some larger upgrade. FWIW: 1st system used and Intel processor, I'm using AMD now.

yeh i know what you mean. My pentium 3 800mhz (first build) lasted me 9.5 years with good maintanance and fixing, but even when it was only 7 years in i got a new laptop, then 3.5 years later i got a new machine, and recently i built around some part i found and thats been working out well... its just so so much cheaper for desktops to scrounge around for parts (some sales are a steal) and get some deals and build em.

Message edited by author 2012-11-15 19:58:19.

cloudsme

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 100-500mm f/4.5-7.1 L IS USM

11/15/2012 09:39:15 PM · #53

//semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/

Message edited by author 2012-11-15 21:39:31.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/15/2012 09:48:53 PM · #54

Originally posted by cloudsme:

//semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/

I've seen totally different narratives. Who even says Windows 8 has failed? It's been out, what, two weeks? It's hardly being uniformly panned on reviews. I've read many that are downright positive and applaud MSFT for taking risks. I dunno. That article just seems to be written by a hater.

Ann

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 12-40mm f/2.8 Pro

11/16/2012 01:29:16 PM · #55

Originally posted by cloudsme:

//semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/

I dunno. I agree with Achoo that it sounds like it was written by a hater.

If you break out what's been happening with the Windows OS over time, there are a couple of things in play. Over the course of time, it seems that Microsoft tries to innovate on one release, then in the next release, they consolidate their gains and fix the problems that hampered adoption of the previous release. Historically, the innovative release doesn't have nearly the market acceptance that the following release has. For example, Windows 7 was wildly successful. Vista, not so much. This release probably won't have the market penetration of Windows 7, because most people just switched to Windows 7 and don't need anything new yet. I see Windows 8 as Microsoft positioning itself for the future, when the computing platform everyone uses will likely become something along the lines of a tablet with a keyboard.

Anyway, articles like this remind me that there are people a lot of people writing articles on the internet that are more into the shiny, gee-whiz part of technology, that forget that tech is just a tool for getting a job done. And the vast majority of people who are just trying to get their job done don't really care about the same things as this guy.

edit: I need to learn to spell. Or type. Or something.

Message edited by author 2012-11-16 13:30:33.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/16/2012 01:34:18 PM · #56

I just bought a Win8 laptop for my daughter on a good sale at Fry's. (She's been using my netbook since her laptop failed at the beginning of the school year) Two of my coworkers are now running over to Fry's to get one. I guess I need to take that as a compliment that they figure I know what I am looking at and my buying it is a sign of a good deal.

I'll be getting further under the hood between now and Thanksgiving, as I remove all the preinstalled crapware and set it up properly. I figure that once a user's most frequently used programs are pinned to the taksbar, it will behave like the Windows we are used to and there won't be much need to go to the metro UI.

Message edited by author 2012-11-16 13:36:20.

Devinder

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/16/2012 02:05:41 PM · #57

Ild like to mention that the "doubleclick issue" that i had earlier was apparently just a well timed failure of my mouse.

New thing i find annoying in Win8: it had a system error while i was trying to do something goofy with old mouse drivers, rather than give me time to close and save everything (ild assume this should happen in the year 2012), the damn thing just reboot instantly. Granted my edited work in photoshop was saved as a "recovered" file, it still wasnt saved in the correct location as i would have if id been given teh oppurtunity to make the save myself. Waste of 5 minutes that was.

Apple iPhone 5

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

11/17/2012 09:35:20 PM · #58

Originally posted by cloudsme:

//semiaccurate.com/2012/11/14/microsoft-has-failed/

I agree with some of his opinions, I believe that MS is really in trouble.

I had the same feeling about Lotus when Windows first came along. Yes, Lotus 1-2-3, the spreadsheet that everyone used, that nobody could ever move away from. Lotus were huge, they dominated the market they had loyal customers - how could they fail? Then MS Excel arrived.

Lotus tried to react by releasing the ill-fated Lotus for Windows, and played catch-up for a couple of years with Lotus Notes and other attempts at regaining their market position. But ultimately, they failed.

Exact same thing happened with WordPerfect when Word came along. And not to mention IBM OS/2, or Novell Netware. All big software products from massive companies that dominated the market, sat on their laurels, and paid the price. This is all history repeating itself. Microsoft, Nokia, and RIM (Blackberry) have all fallen into the same trap.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

11/17/2012 10:01:16 PM · #59

Well, I am up and running and typing this from the new Win8 box. In the process set a record for OS install speed, 7 minutes from the time I booted from the USB stick to the time I started to configure the user account!
Start-up and shut-down on this thing is lightning fast, and it comes back out of sleep mode so darn fast that there is just no excuse for not letting it sleep.
I must say, I'm struggling just a little bit with the interface. The apps that run on the desktop are fine, but "metro" style apps, like games, want to take over the screen and there is no way to get them to run in a window. Seems a little ridiculous, a step backward in fact. Tomorrow I have to finish installing the apps that need to be o here so I can deliver the machine to my daughter. First I have to overcome the fact that the DVD drive I ordered for it arrived DOA :-P Thing makes a horrible sound when it tries to spin up, then just ejects the disk. Yikes.

Message edited by author 2012-11-17 22:01:38.

DrAchoo

Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX5

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/17/2012 11:28:46 PM · #60

If it doesn't make sense Fritz, always ask, "does this make sense on a smaller mobile device?" And the answer is usually yes.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

11/18/2012 10:16:07 AM · #61

Originally posted by DrAchoo:

If it doesn't make sense Fritz, always ask, "does this make sense on a smaller mobile device?" And the answer is usually yes.

You hit the nail right on the head. It all makes perfect sense on a smaller device with a touch interface... on a standard desktop, well, it takes some getting used to!

Message edited by author 2012-11-18 10:16:21.

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

11/18/2012 10:48:34 AM · #62

So, I'm wondering...will the new Win8 cause larger desktop based touchscreens to come to the general market? Or, will touch pads be added with mouse?

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by DrAchoo:
If it doesn't make sense Fritz, always ask, "does this make sense on a smaller mobile device?" And the answer is usually yes.

You hit the nail right on the head. It all makes perfect sense on a smaller device with a touch interface... on a standard desktop, well, it takes some getting used to!

Yo_Spiff

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/18/2012 10:55:22 AM · #63

I figure once I set up most of my applications on the taksbar or desktop, I won't have to go to the Metro UI much. It seems dumbed down for a desktop system, though. I was setting up my daughter's new laptop and opened the user manual PDF that was on the desktop. It opened up in a Metro style viewer that didn't have any of the expected navigation controls. I suppose it was made top respond to swipes and mouse gestures. I installed Adobe reader and everything was as expected.

Still not liking Metro, but I'm finding how to get around it. If those laptops come on sale again for that price I may snag another one for myself.

Devinder

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

11/18/2012 04:41:41 PM · #64

Originally posted by kirbic:

Kirbic, i agree on the windowed thing. One thing that allays the issue a bit is the ability to stick stuff to the side.just make it stick to the side till you need it again? havent really researched it yet - will do as time allows

plugsnpixels

11/21/2012 05:36:01 PM · #65

Devinder said: "Copy pasting has a higher level of Authorization required when dealing with program files (1 extra click) also annoying and i'll have to figure out a work around."

As a Mac user I wonder why in Windows one doesn't drag and drop? Especially with larger apps/files. I'm used to dragging from volume to volume (or option-dragging on the same volume) to make a copy, or dragging from one place to another on the same volume to move.

PGerst said: "In the past 20 years I've only had 2 computers. My current is 6 years old. But the difference for me is that I built both of them, upgrading necessary parts as needed, and building for future needs."

That reminds me of "The Same Ax Twice" (please Google).

Canon EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM

11/21/2012 10:29:07 PM · #66

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Message edited by author 2012-11-21 22:30:37.

DustDevil

Canon EOS-70D

11/22/2012 12:20:14 PM · #67

Building a box for inlaws. They currently have an old E4300 socket 775 and some DDR2 memeory like 4gb or so. I picked up basically a whole new system for $200 from newegg minus the hard drive they currently have. I did the win 8 upgrade utility and got an .iso. Will see how it is when I get all the parts in and get everything up and running. I am sure it will be better than that Vista they currently are running.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

12/30/2012 05:10:38 PM · #68

I'm looking through MS website, but I can't seem to find it.

Is there a Win 8 FULL version (that doesn't require a previous version to be installed) available to buy that is NOT OEM?

GAP2012

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

12/30/2012 06:14:12 PM · #69

Originally posted by PGerst:

I'm looking through MS website, but I can't seem to find it.

Is there a Win 8 FULL version (that doesn't require a previous version to be installed) available to buy that is NOT OEM?

speaking from an IT perspective (changes hats) i would forget windows 8, and if need be ask for windows 7 on any new computer, and wait for the next windows to come out... the ones inbetween the better versions are always rushed out and half baked versions.. eg win 98/2000 good good win ME crap, win XP good, win vista Crap, win 7 good....win 8 Crap... and so it goes on!