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11/08/2012 05:25:27 PM · #401 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Kelli why didnt u sue the doc / hospital.....I am truly against lawsuits...However if there is ACTUAL malpractice than I agree with a lawsuit. I have spoken before about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits. It sounds to me like yours was genuine. I have a friend going through this right now. She went to the hospital with extreme pain in her stomach and they did some xrays, some asprin and said u will be fine. then sent her home. The x-ray showed air and puss in he abdominal cavity but it will be ok. She went to another hospital and sent her into surgery immediately. They said in another 12 hrs she would have been dead. They are suing. Some lawsuits are worth it. |
Yes, it was an actual malpractice. The doctor was an intern (not really sure if they're a full doctor yet). But ultimately the responsibility falls on the hospital. When I ended up in the second hospital, the head of the cardiology department was on the phone with the first hospital screaming at them. I almost died as well. But, like I said, the doctor was human. She made a mistake. I didn't want to ruin her career for it. |
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11/08/2012 05:48:10 PM · #402 |
Just a little public retraction here.
I've spoken privately with Kelli, and I find no fault in her situation, she's absolutely a deserving recipient. But she darn right should have sued IMO.
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11/08/2012 05:52:57 PM · #403 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? |
I don't know Kelli's situation, but my secretary was out on disability for months with a heart condition. Like Kelli, she very much wanted to come back to work, but the doc wouldn't let her. There was *no way* that the company was going to let anyone come back from disability until the Dr. signed off on it.
Of course she could have applied for other jobs, but what do you think is going to happen when the prospective employer asks "why did you leave your last job?" Should she lie? What happens when she gets caught lying on her job application?
edit: english, bloody english! |
Honestly? Don't lie, just tell them that you left for personal reasons and leave it at that. They're not allowed to ask about your medical history. |
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11/08/2012 06:02:16 PM · #404 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? |
I don't know Kelli's situation, but my secretary was out on disability for months with a heart condition. Like Kelli, she very much wanted to come back to work, but the doc wouldn't let her. There was *no way* that the company was going to let anyone come back from disability until the Dr. signed off on it.
Of course she could have applied for other jobs, but what do you think is going to happen when the prospective employer asks "why did you leave your last job?" Should she lie? What happens when she gets caught lying on her job application?
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Honestly? Don't lie, just tell them that you left for personal reasons and leave it at that. They're not allowed to ask about your medical history. |
The problem with this is that it leaves out the possibility that maybe, possibly, she *is* too damn sick to work. What does she do about that?
Not everyone is 31 and healthy. There are some people who really, truly, *can't* work. My secretary is one of them, despite her desire to come back. She eventually browbeat the doc into giving her clearance, and was back at work for 3 days before having to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance again. |
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11/08/2012 06:06:32 PM · #405 |
Keli
My bro is a doc (OBGYN) and gets sued for malpractice all the time. Alot of those are frivolous but they usually get paid anyway. Doctors do make mistakes and yes they are human but they rarely loose their liscence just because they were sued. It takes alot more than a few lawsuits or even (unfortunately) a few deaths to bring down the house.
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11/08/2012 06:07:45 PM · #406 |
now yes occationally a doc can get "fired" or loose the liscence...For instance wrighting scrips for know abusers...etc.
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11/08/2012 06:11:14 PM · #407 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? |
I don't know Kelli's situation, but my secretary was out on disability for months with a heart condition. Like Kelli, she very much wanted to come back to work, but the doc wouldn't let her. There was *no way* that the company was going to let anyone come back from disability until the Dr. signed off on it.
Of course she could have applied for other jobs, but what do you think is going to happen when the prospective employer asks "why did you leave your last job?" Should she lie? What happens when she gets caught lying on her job application?
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Honestly? Don't lie, just tell them that you left for personal reasons and leave it at that. They're not allowed to ask about your medical history. |
The problem with this is that it leaves out the possibility that maybe, possibly, she *is* too damn sick to work. What does she do about that?
Not everyone is 31 and healthy. There are some people who really, truly, *can't* work. My secretary is one of them, despite her desire to come back. She eventually browbeat the doc into giving her clearance, and was back at work for 3 days before having to be taken to the hospital in an ambulance again. |
That wasn't at all directed at Kelli.
If you feel like working, then don't disclose. That was my point. |
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11/08/2012 07:25:10 PM · #408 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
These programs, are life lines, safety nets, and along with unemployment do not benefit individuals as much as they do to prop up large segments of the business sector(Kraft, etc.) and the economy.Its not a solution but a necessary life line in tough times. It's Keynesian economics at work, money surely to be spent and pumped back into the economy, rather than placed offshore to avoid taxation for instance.
Once again we are talking about the weak, the poor, children, the disabled- fighting over a tiny piece of the pie while the baker vacations in the Riviera. If you want to chastise them and blame the country's problems on them- you have taken your eye off the ball, to the delight of some very rich and powerful people. |
Yes, a tiny piece, perhaps 2 percent of the budget. This is not the cause of the financial difficulties of this country. Folks being poor and unemployed is a symptom of what's wrong with the system. It's astounding, though, how good the politicians are at scapegoating these folks, stirring up resentment against them. This whole conversation just reminds me of why I'm so glad Romney lost the election... disgusting. |
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11/09/2012 07:34:30 AM · #409 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
This whole conversation just reminds me of why I'm so glad Romney lost the election... disgusting. |
are assuming Obama is so much better? if you think the democrats have clean hands when its comes to dividing the people, creating resentment, etc. think again.
look, you can back whichever party you want, we all believe the party we vote for would have turned things around, but lets not act as if they are the saving grace of all humanity.
the truth is we have to stop relying on government to fix what ails us, that's what they want, they need our dependence so that we keep voting for them, the only way we fix the system to start thinking for ourselves, accepting our own failures and blame nobody but ourselves for our failures. i refuse to accept a system than encourages any kind of dependency whomever may offer it. the Bush years required is to depend on them for safety and Obama is requiring dependence on finance.
i mentioned earlier that my wife got layed off, her job outsourced, want to know why i didn't blame her company for being greedy? its was her fault. She became expendable, she failed herself, she had to take a lower paying job because she failed to evolve, she possessed no other skills for any other position. She working to change that in her schooling and with the new job she took.
now take my position, i work in a position that is highly dependent on staying up with current technologies, being fast, reliable, my job pays me and my position determined how well perform, not to think as much as act. I know that someday i will be replaced by someone younger, faster, has a better grasp on the technologies we work with and most importantly, cheaper. i know because i replaced and older guy and i see other older guys getting replaced all the time by younger cheaper alternatives. so what do i do? sit back and except the fate being handed to be or do i expand my mind and move into a position where your brain and mind cherished, age isn't a factor, where experience dictates our price and above all im paid to think not just do.
I'm trying to put into place new policies at work that will make the firm more competitive ran more money, yet i'm met with opposition becuase the old guys say they cant adapt, wont adapt, they say we'll need to hold off until they retire. this makes me expendable too if i dont stay on top of technologies, im not naive to the fact that i will never be the best at my firm at what i do forever, there will always be a replacement waiting. u refuse to allow that to happen. i saw the writing years ago with the guy i replaced, on his way out the door he refused to see his own incompetence, his own failures, he refusal to adapt, his refusal to think, even though i despise what he stands for i am grateful to him for opening my eyes to reality.
to end, i have zero compassion nor do i give a second thought to anyone who refuses to take acceptance that they are in charge of their own destiny, yes you may need to work harder, yes you may miscalculate, yes you may get dealt a hand you did not intend, but you have to play it anyway.
if you'd rather cry about how life is unfair, or you have no chance, or whatever, go look elsewhere for charity.
Message edited by author 2012-11-09 07:35:24. |
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11/09/2012 08:37:13 AM · #410 |
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill. |
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11/09/2012 08:48:42 AM · #411 |
Originally posted by jagar:
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill. |
what would you prefer the subject change to? |
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11/09/2012 08:51:29 AM · #412 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by jagar:
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill. |
what would you prefer the subject change to? |
Anything. |
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11/09/2012 08:53:25 AM · #413 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by jagar:
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill. |
what would you prefer the subject change to? |
Anything. |
well there are lots of other threads for you to explore if you dont like the topic at hand, no one is forcing to be here or comment, so you must find it somewhat intriguing.
Message edited by author 2012-11-09 08:53:42. |
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11/09/2012 08:53:28 AM · #414 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
to end, i have zero compassion nor do i give a second thought to anyone who refuses to take acceptance that they are in charge of their own destiny, yes you may need to work harder, yes you may miscalculate, yes you may get dealt a hand you did not intend, but you have to play it anyway.
if you'd rather cry about how life is unfair, or you have no chance, or whatever, go look elsewhere for charity. |
I think you've just nailed what Judith was getting at. Divisiveness is certainly a negative byproduct of election time, but much of the country [in fact, according to a recent, well-publicized poll, the majority] cannot understand why the other half thinks it is a bunch of freeloaders, and why that is associated with supporters of a political party.
The terminology you have repeatedly used in this thread ("handouts," "cry about how life is unfair," "charity," etc.) is a great example of the negative, disrespectful attitude that has become commonplace in recent conservative discourse. For some reason the Republican party is trying to convince people that more than half of the country is a lazy sack of freeloaders, or want to steal from hardworking people to support lazy freeloaders. It's absurd.
System abuse will happen in any system, but it is an exceptionally small percentage of society that participates in such things (excluding, apparently, Cory's family and social circle). For a party to pit its supporters against the other half of the nation on the premise that it just wants handouts -- and people believe it -- is offensive to many people. And I think that's what Judith was getting at.
I don't know what Romney was planing to do to eliminate all of these "handouts" and fix this problem, as he never specifically told us what programs he would cut. Obama was unbelievably beatable this election, and if the Republican party could have provided some ideas and solutions, and not just emotion-based negativity, they would have won.
The Republican party needs a take a long look in the mirror. |
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11/09/2012 09:08:15 AM · #415 |
ThereΓΆ€™s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.
-Margaret Thatcher
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11/09/2012 09:37:35 AM · #416 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
The terminology you have repeatedly used in this thread ("handouts," "cry about how life is unfair," "charity," etc.) is a great example of the negative, disrespectful attitude that has become commonplace in recent conservative discourse. For some reason the Republican party is trying to convince people that more than half of the country is a lazy sack of freeloaders, or want to steal from hardworking people to support lazy freeloaders. It's absurd. |
when i say handouts, i refer to expecting the government or someone else fix your problems, they cant, they can only promise. are they freeloaders, yes, freeloaders in the sense they won't help themselves in any regard, not just monetary.
when i say to cry about how life is unfair, i refer to not accepting ones failures and blaming someone else. you are the cause of your own failures, however big or small.
when i say charity, i refer to my unwillingness to give something to you which you have not earned simply becuase you or someone else feels that i should give it to you. i give out of my own will do so if it brings me happiness or joy not becuase is is expected of me or it makes you feel good. I dont not care you feel, if i did i would offer my charity.
you say the republican party needs to look in the mirror, why? why do you care what they do? if they fail to offer a viable solution the public wants it will be their demise. I dont subscribe to either party, i pick and choose based on ideals important to me. I cant worry about what the republican party needs to do to survive, i dont care, if they fail some other party will fill its place, and i 'll have to realign my vote based to the ideals important at the time of another party. in fact i should hope that it fails and we are left with only one party, they maybe we can elect official on their own merits.
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living
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11/09/2012 09:47:57 AM · #417 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
.... verbal diarrhea .... |
The number of people that fall into your freeloading demographic is so minuscule they're not worth worrying about.
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11/09/2012 09:48:58 AM · #418 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by bohemka:
The terminology you have repeatedly used in this thread ("handouts," "cry about how life is unfair," "charity," etc.) is a great example of the negative, disrespectful attitude that has become commonplace in recent conservative discourse. For some reason the Republican party is trying to convince people that more than half of the country is a lazy sack of freeloaders, or want to steal from hardworking people to support lazy freeloaders. It's absurd. |
when i say handouts, i refer to expecting the government or someone else fix your problems, they cant, they can only promise. are they freeloaders, yes, freeloaders in the sense they won't help themselves in any regard, not just monetary.
when i say to cry about how life is unfair, i refer to not accepting ones failures and blaming someone else. you are the cause of your own failures, however big or small.
when i say charity, i refer to my unwillingness to give something to you which you have not earned simply becuase you or someone else feels that i should give it to you. i give out of my own will do so if it brings me happiness or joy not becuase is is expected of me or it makes you feel good. I dont not care you feel, if i did i would offer my charity.
you say the republican party needs to look in the mirror, why? why do you care what they do? if they fail to offer a viable solution the public wants it will be their demise. I dont subscribe to either party, i pick and choose based on ideals important to me. I cant worry about what the republican party needs to do to survive, i dont care, if they fail some other party will fill its place, and i 'll have to realign my vote based to the ideals important at the time of another party. in fact i should hope that it fails and we are left with only one party, they maybe we can elect official on their own merits.
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
The point is, the amount of "handouts" pure "welfare style" benefits is not a significant number, not an amount bankrupting us and compromising our grandkids future.
Especially after this election, it's important to free your mind of this "freeloaders are ruining the American way of life mentality." Every generation thinks the next is going to hell. Its not true.
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11/09/2012 09:58:42 AM · #419 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by mike_311:
.... verbal diarrhea .... |
The number of people that fall into your freeloading demographic is so minuscule they're not worth worrying about. |
Are you kidding... There are families here that have been on welfare for 3 or 4 generations and have never worked and dont intend on working. They teach classes at some churches about how to get more govmt money. It is a problem that I personally am tired of paying for.
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11/09/2012 10:03:55 AM · #420 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by mike_311:
.... verbal diarrhea .... |
The number of people that fall into your freeloading demographic is so minuscule they're not worth worrying about. |
Are you kidding... There are families here that have been on welfare for 3 or 4 generations and have never worked and dont intend on working. They teach classes at some churches about how to get more govmt money. It is a problem that I personally am tired of paying for. |
he's right they arent "bankrupting" us. there will always be money to take from somewhere or someone to support the system how ever large it gets.
Message edited by author 2012-11-09 10:04:14. |
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11/09/2012 10:04:33 AM · #421 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Are you kidding... There are families here that have been on welfare for 3 or 4 generations and have never worked and dont intend on working. They teach classes at some churches about how to get more govmt money. It is a problem that I personally am tired of paying for. |
No, I'm not kidding.
So there's a couple of people sucking off the teat, their numbers are probably inconsequential to the overall expenditure.
Fix your bloated military budget before you start worrying about the crumbs. |
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11/09/2012 10:06:19 AM · #422 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by mike_311:
.... verbal diarrhea .... |
The number of people that fall into your freeloading demographic is so minuscule they're not worth worrying about. |
i dont worry about them, i worry about the people who think its ok to continue want to support them, which is a much, much larger number. |
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11/09/2012 10:56:21 AM · #423 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
so long as you look to someone else to save you, government, god, family, friends, you will always be disappointed, becuase the only one that can truly save you is yourself. you live based on the decisions you make and once you give up the decisions and let someone else make them, you may as well be dead, you are merely being pulled along not living |
I cannot understand at all why you think that this is what this election was about. |
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11/09/2012 11:02:43 AM · #424 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by jagar:
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill. |
what would you prefer the subject change to? |
Anything. |
jager, it would seem that for the last week, the only comments you have made are snide remarks and personal attacks in /rant threads that you've not even been a part of up to that point.
Sorry pal, but sticking to the shadows and just bitching about conversations you aren't even involved in is kinda shitty behavior, don't you think?
At least join in and offer something of value, instead of just slyly popping in to tell everyone how stupid they are, you know, offer some real opinion of value, something that might actually advance the conversation.
Thanks in advance.
-CB |
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11/09/2012 11:05:51 AM · #425 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by mike_311:
.... verbal diarrhea .... |
The number of people that fall into your freeloading demographic is so minuscule they're not worth worrying about. |
I dont worry about them, i worry about the people who think its ok to continue want to support them, which is a much, much larger number. |
So much more for a person from Jersey to Worry about...
1. The way The Jersey Shore(trademark MTV productions) has made all NJ beach-goers look like Guido steroid monkey harlots.
2. planning Gov. Christie's 2016 campaign
3. The smell in Elizabeth, and or the smell in Camden.
4. How to franchise the Hot Grill in Clifton(cheesy gravy fries)
5. Tracking and killing the Jersey Devil in the Pine Barrens.
6. Dealing with the shame that is Bon Jovi
7. Fighting to keep Staten Island as part of New York while simultaneously staking claim to Ellis Island
8. Educating Jersey Italians that tomato sauce should not be called "gravy"
9. Searching the swamps behind Newark Ikea for the bodies of Sauder furniture executives
10. Improving the food at the rest stops on the Turnpike, and cleaning up the bathrooms(admittedly a selfish request based upon my experience in twice annual trips through Jersey to points south)
Just trying to keep it light. (could make a 60 prong things to worry about for CT as well)
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