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11/08/2012 02:43:23 PM · #376 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
we are blaming the wrong people, we should be blaming the government for slowly allowing the the job creators to seek elsewhere for cheaper labor.... |
Well sure, but see, there's one party which believes in letting people grab all they can get and letting the regulated write (and enforce) the rules, and one party which believes government needs to watch over private enterprise because people (and businesses are people, at least according to the SCOTUS) will cheat whenever they can. You'll have to figure out for yourself which party is which ...
Bonus Quiz: Name one national crisis or disaster event which has been caused by TOO MUCH regulation or enforcement of the rules. |
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11/08/2012 02:48:23 PM · #377 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I'll be dead in 10 years, give or take a year either way. It won't much matter to me after that now would it. |
Sure, of course, why care about the future, or anyone else, when I can think about me right now instead?
Perhaps you'd be better served thinking about what you want to do with those last ten years to leave the world a better place. |
Cory, you know nothing about me or my family or the way I've lived my life. So just shut up already. If you ever get your medical degree and end up on the SSDI board, I'll be sure to consult with you. Until then, go butt into the people's lives you know are cheating the system. Be a man and turn them in or shut the hell up. |
First, I want to get this out of the way immediately: The phrase shut up is both childish and horribly disrespectful, you would be well advised to not try to win arguments with it.
Actually, I know a reasonable amount of information about your family, exactly what you've told me in fact. Speaking of family, you remind me of my mother, you look, think, and act a lot like her.
As for why I don't turn in the people I know? First, I'm no narc, snitches get stitches, or worse. I didn't report you for name calling, and I'm not reporting them either - if you get caught that's your problem.
I wouldn't have been trusted to know all of this if I had ever turned a single person in... If word got around that I was turning people in, I think my life expectancy might be significantly shorter than yours. That's how the world works, either you're someone people trust, or you're not.... Besides, just like the drug war - busting a few potheads doesn't solve shit - fix the system instead.
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11/08/2012 02:52:23 PM · #378 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by mike_311:
we are blaming the wrong people, we should be blaming the government for slowly allowing the the job creators to seek elsewhere for cheaper labor.... |
Well sure, but see, there's one party which believes in letting people grab all they can get and letting the regulated write (and enforce) the rules, and one party which believes government needs to watch over private enterprise because people (and businesses are people, at least according to the SCOTUS) will cheat whenever they can. You'll have to figure out for yourself which party is which ...
Bonus Quiz: Name one national crisis or disaster event which has been caused by TOO MUCH regulation or enforcement of the rules. |
i dont have a problem with regulation or enforcement of rules. in fact i like much of what the democratic stands for, except, they also mobilize much of their base by promising redistribution, more social services, universal healthcare, all of which we can not afford to pay for. all great ideas, but name me one thriving nations that doesn't employ a capitalist mentality that is able to sustain over the long term without oppressing their people?
that what i am afraid of. you take away a peoples urge to aspire and they settle into the status quo and become sheep to the powerful just as well as what you oppose.
perhaps we are both wrong and we need a third alternative. |
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11/08/2012 02:57:43 PM · #379 |
| I guess I am part of the problem....I suck off the government like a leech and get a nice check every month. My children get a check every month as well all three of them. I don't pay taxes on it. Do I feel anyway entitled to it? Not in anyway what so ever. I have a different situation than most and will never have to work in my life time. Do I wish I could work? Certainly. I miss working and doing things and having a job. I picked the situation I am in and things didn't work out and I feel horrible I am rewarded for it at the cost of others paying the bills. Will I have a short lived life because of it sure I will. Not being able to work really is killing me. I do other things to bid my time but and do community type of work for free so I do give back somewhat even though it doesn't really seem like I am. So I do feel like I am part of the problem with the country I certianly do but some would say I have a perfect right to be a leech. Could I simply refuse the goverment handout certainly I could but it would mean my family would starve because of it and I would get more hand outs. I really dont have a point and just rambling but their are all sorts of types of people that leech off the system. |
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11/08/2012 03:00:40 PM · #380 |
Originally posted by DustDevil:
I guess I am part of the problem....I suck off the government like a leech and get a nice check every month. My children get a check every month as well all three of them. I don't pay taxes on it. Do I feel anyway entitled to it? Not in anyway what so ever. I have a different situation than most and will never have to work in my life time. Do I wish I could work? Certainly. I miss working and doing things and having a job. I picked the situation I am in and things didn't work out and I feel horrible I am rewarded for it at the cost of others paying the bills. Will I have a short lived life because of it sure I will. Not being able to work really is killing me. I do other things to bid my time but and do community type of work for free so I do give back somewhat even though it doesn't really seem like I am. So I do feel like I am part of the problem with the country I certianly do but some would say I have a perfect right to be a leech. Could I simply refuse the goverment handout certainly I could but it would mean my family would starve because of it and I would get more hand outs. I really dont have a point and just rambling but their are all sorts of types of people that leech off the system. |
No idea what your circumstance is, so I have a hard time saying much.
But, you seem to at least feel a personal responsibility, which is honorable. You seem to be blaming no-one but yourself, and are quite rational.
Whatever your situation, I don't actually think you really are a part of the problem, at least not from what I just read.
Frankly, if all of the recipients thought and acted like you, then I would not be advocating for change. Unfortunately, it seems that you are very much exceptional.
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11/08/2012 03:01:13 PM · #381 |
Mike I dont think there is a 3rd alternative.
Look at thr difference between say 1950 and today. I am not talking about the racism either. People were generally hard workers, and if someone was down on their luck they worked harder. There were also alot less handoutsfrom the govmt. And yes there were still some.....just a smaller amount.
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11/08/2012 03:02:31 PM · #382 |
It's not capitalism which is the problem, but "unlimited" capitalism.
I believe the reason we form societies is to ensure that everyone has the basics of life, even those who are physically or mentally unable to provide it for themselves. And, I believe that work which benefits society as a whole should be rewarded at least as well if not better than "work" which serves only to aggrandize personal wealth and power. I think a teacher should be paid more than a stock trader, and a firefighter more than either, as a basic example.
Right now, the highest-paid professions are primarily oriented towards manipulating money so as to accumulate more money (e.g. hedge fund managers) -- these people are not capitalists ΓΆ€” "investing" in the companies whose stocks they trade ΓΆ€” other than to extract gains as the stock price fluctuates, otherwise called "gambling." |
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11/08/2012 03:13:28 PM · #383 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Mike I dont think there is a 3rd alternative.
Look at thr difference between say 1950 and today. I am not talking about the racism either. People were generally hard workers, and if someone was down on their luck they worked harder. There were also alot less handoutsfrom the govmt. And yes there were still some.....just a smaller amount. |
And since that time, we've had a gradual re-writing of the rules so that the wealthy capture an ever-increasing share of the wealth. The minimum wage and real wage income has declined (adjusted for inflation). In the 1950s the top executive made about 30-40 times what the lowest-paid worker did, now it's more like 300 times more.
Additionally, as business has continued to automate (roboticize) there is an ever -decreasing need for workers, further helping keep wages down.
You talk about people "working harder" -- how do you justify someone who pushed computer buttons to buy and sell the same shares of stock within five minutes (because they make a couple of cents/share, but with a million shares it can add up) making a few million dollars a year, while the person who cleans their toilet qualifies for Food Stamps? How about rewarding people who actually work instead of just shuffling money around ... |
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11/08/2012 03:19:33 PM · #384 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Mike I dont think there is a 3rd alternative.
Look at thr difference between say 1950 and today. I am not talking about the racism either. People were generally hard workers, and if someone was down on their luck they worked harder. There were also alot less handoutsfrom the govmt. And yes there were still some.....just a smaller amount. |
And since that time, we've had a gradual re-writing of the rules so that the wealthy capture an ever-increasing share of the wealth. The minimum wage and real wage income has declined (adjusted for inflation). In the 1950s the top executive made about 30-40 times what the lowest-paid worker did, now it's more like 300 times more.
Additionally, as business has continued to automate (roboticize) there is an ever -decreasing need for workers, further helping keep wages down.
You talk about people "working harder" -- how do you justify someone who pushed computer buttons to buy and sell the same shares of stock within five minutes (because they make a couple of cents/share, but with a million shares it can add up) making a few million dollars a year, while the person who cleans their toilet qualifies for Food Stamps? How about rewarding people who actually work instead of just shuffling money around ... |
let get one thing straight im not advocating that those manipulating the system get a free pass.
dont lump all rich people together, there are those which you refer and those would worked hard to attain what they have and where they are. the rich you refer to bleed the other rich and poor alike and i agree they need to be stopped. |
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11/08/2012 03:21:07 PM · #385 |
Well my situation is unique...I am a disabled veteran. Now some people will say ah well your entitled to the benefits you get. I guess I have a hard time looking at it in that light. I joined freely to be in the military no one forced me and I knew there was a chance I could get killed or injured. So when it did happen I just find it hard to "reap" any benefits since I knew full well going into it it could happen. I feel guilt over it like a big burden on society. I went to Voc. Rehab. center in Albq. and the VA rep. told me point blank "you have 100% disability you might as well just keep that and not get retraining" They wanted me to be a cryptography and security specialist for pc's becuase I had self taught computer skills. It really didnt matter to me but I was deflated for not getting retrained and to contribute to society in some way.
I get about 4k a month tax free which doesnt include all the other perks like tax discounts on home and cars. I know most people struggle to make that kind of money. Not sure how much that turns out to be an hour but I am sure I could figure it out. I know I have lost all my goals in life to be successful and have a nice quality of life. I am pretty much in a state of "zombie" mode. Just do what I can do to help payback all the benefits I have gained. |
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11/08/2012 03:24:18 PM · #386 |
Originally posted by DustDevil:
Well my situation is unique...I am a disabled veteran. Now some people will say ah well your entitled to the benefits you get. I guess I have a hard time looking at it in that light. I joined freely to be in the military no one forced me and I knew there was a chance I could get killed or injured. So when it did happen I just find it hard to "reap" any benefits since I knew full well going into it it could happen. I feel guilt over it like a big burden on society. I went to Voc. Rehab. center in Albq. and the VA rep. told me point blank "you have 100% disability you might as well just keep that and not get retraining" They wanted me to be a cryptography and security specialist for pc's becuase I had self taught computer skills. It really didnt matter to me but I was deflated for not getting retrained and to contribute to society in some way.
I get about 4k a month tax free which doesnt include all the other perks like tax discounts on home and cars. I know most people struggle to make that kind of money. Not sure how much that turns out to be an hour but I am sure I could figure it out. I know I have lost all my goals in life to be successful and have a nice quality of life. I am pretty much in a state of "zombie" mode. Just do what I can do to help payback all the benefits I have gained. |
you paid paid your dues, enjoy your life as best you can. no one has any right to say you are mooching of a system for scarifying what you did nor should you ever feel that way.
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11/08/2012 03:26:33 PM · #387 |
That person cleaning the toilets earns their money...I agree...but the guy pushing the buttons trading stock earns his too. He went to school (possibly Ivy League) and recieved all kinds of debt he/she has to pay off. The janitor could have gone to school...maybe not ivy league...he might have only been able to do trade school...and thats fine
My point is.... not everyone can be wealthy unfortunately. Both of those examples demonstrated hard working people. I worked for min wage for years sweating my butt off doing hard construction work. Did that make me angry at the rich for being successful....no. That mad me stand up work that much harder so I could afford to feed myself. I also did not want to take the money from the rich.
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11/08/2012 03:28:15 PM · #388 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Mike I dont think there is a 3rd alternative.
Look at thr difference between say 1950 and today. I am not talking about the racism either. People were generally hard workers, and if someone was down on their luck they worked harder. There were also alot less handoutsfrom the govmt. And yes there were still some.....just a smaller amount. |
It isn't just about hard work, though. People are just as willing to work hard now as they were then. There was also a functioning manufacturing economy in the 1950's, where mid-skilled and low-skilled workers who were willing to work could get jobs that paid a decent middle class wage. The truth of the matter today is that there are still plenty of high-skill jobs available, and they pay very well, but those mid and low-skilled jobs are mostly gone. Just being willing to work hard is not enough for a middle class life anymore. |
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11/08/2012 03:37:45 PM · #389 |
Originally posted by DustDevil:
Well my situation is unique...I am a disabled veteran. Now some people will say ah well your entitled to the benefits you get. I guess I have a hard time looking at it in that light. I joined freely to be in the military no one forced me and I knew there was a chance I could get killed or injured. So when it did happen I just find it hard to "reap" any benefits since I knew full well going into it it could happen. I feel guilt over it like a big burden on society. I went to Voc. Rehab. center in Albq. and the VA rep. told me point blank "you have 100% disability you might as well just keep that and not get retraining" They wanted me to be a cryptography and security specialist for pc's becuase I had self taught computer skills. It really didnt matter to me but I was deflated for not getting retrained and to contribute to society in some way.
I get about 4k a month tax free which doesnt include all the other perks like tax discounts on home and cars. I know most people struggle to make that kind of money. Not sure how much that turns out to be an hour but I am sure I could figure it out. I know I have lost all my goals in life to be successful and have a nice quality of life. I am pretty much in a state of "zombie" mode. Just do what I can do to help payback all the benefits I have gained. |
You are exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the broken system.
Why don't you get a part time job to contribute? Oh, that's right - because if you try to actually contribute, they'll take away everything...
One example among many of what's broken.
But you, DustDevil, are beyond reproach. And this is coming from one of the harshest critics that DPC has to offer. |
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11/08/2012 03:49:41 PM · #390 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I'll be dead in 10 years, give or take a year either way. It won't much matter to me after that now would it. |
Sure, of course, why care about the future, or anyone else, when I can think about me right now instead?
Perhaps you'd be better served thinking about what you want to do with those last ten years to leave the world a better place. |
Cory, you know nothing about me or my family or the way I've lived my life. So just shut up already. If you ever get your medical degree and end up on the SSDI board, I'll be sure to consult with you. Until then, go butt into the people's lives you know are cheating the system. Be a man and turn them in or shut the hell up. |
First, I want to get this out of the way immediately: The phrase shut up is both childish and horribly disrespectful, you would be well advised to not try to win arguments with it.
Actually, I know a reasonable amount of information about your family, exactly what you've told me in fact. Speaking of family, you remind me of my mother, you look, think, and act a lot like her.
As for why I don't turn in the people I know? First, I'm no narc, snitches get stitches, or worse. I didn't report you for name calling, and I'm not reporting them either - if you get caught that's your problem.
I wouldn't have been trusted to know all of this if I had ever turned a single person in... If word got around that I was turning people in, I think my life expectancy might be significantly shorter than yours. That's how the world works, either you're someone people trust, or you're not.... Besides, just like the drug war - busting a few potheads doesn't solve shit - fix the system instead. |
I practice law in the fields of Disability, (SSDI and LTD) (as well as Workers' Compensation and personal injury) I have been practicing about 15 years, and can provide some insight on trends, at least in this region. I have no reason to doubt there is fraud in these areas, although it may not be as rampant as your anecdotal stories suggest.
The Current Commissioner of Social Security, Astrue, has implemented more conservative operations,(and despite the well reported situation re: the ALJ in West Virginia granting every case,) despite an increase in SS filings due to the fact the 2008 recession, and there are more conservative operations generally. I also get reports,take it for what its worth, on the solvency of Medicare and Social Security. The last report indicates that SS and Medicare will be fully funded, without doing anything, through 2033, and if we do nothing, 75% funded based upon taxes taken in. All we need is a small tweak to make it last. No drastic privatization is needed. And SSI, is a need based, small amount of money, and does not account for a very significant amount of the budget.
These programs, are life lines, safety nets, and along with unemployment do not benefit individuals as much as they do to prop up large segments of the business sector(Kraft, etc.) and the economy.Its not a solution but a necessary life line in tough times. It's Keynesian economics at work, money surely to be spent and pumped back into the economy, rather than placed offshore to avoid taxation for instance.
Once again we are talking about the weak, the poor, children, the disabled- fighting over a tiny piece of the pie while the baker vacations in the Riviera. If you want to chastise them and blame the country's problems on them- you have taken your eye off the ball, to the delight of some very rich and powerful people. |
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11/08/2012 03:51:02 PM · #391 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I'll be dead in 10 years, give or take a year either way. It won't much matter to me after that now would it. |
Sure, of course, why care about the future, or anyone else, when I can think about me right now instead?
Perhaps you'd be better served thinking about what you want to do with those last ten years to leave the world a better place. |
Cory, you know nothing about me or my family or the way I've lived my life. So just shut up already. If you ever get your medical degree and end up on the SSDI board, I'll be sure to consult with you. Until then, go butt into the people's lives you know are cheating the system. Be a man and turn them in or shut the hell up. |
First, I want to get this out of the way immediately: The phrase shut up is both childish and horribly disrespectful, you would be well advised to not try to win arguments with it.
Actually, I know a reasonable amount of information about your family, exactly what you've told me in fact. Speaking of family, you remind me of my mother, you look, think, and act a lot like her.
As for why I don't turn in the people I know? First, I'm no narc, snitches get stitches, or worse. I didn't report you for name calling, and I'm not reporting them either - if you get caught that's your problem.
I wouldn't have been trusted to know all of this if I had ever turned a single person in... If word got around that I was turning people in, I think my life expectancy might be significantly shorter than yours. That's how the world works, either you're someone people trust, or you're not.... Besides, just like the drug war - busting a few potheads doesn't solve shit - fix the system instead. |
Maybe I'm responding in kind to your childish rude behavior. How's it feel? And your round about insults, where you think you are being so clever (you did call your mother a liar, cheat & scammer then said I'm like your mother) are very childish as well. Like I said, you no nothing about me other than what I disclosed. You seemed to have missed the part about me working for 27 years and paying into the insurance system (which is what SSDI is). I'm no cheat, liar or scammer. And you are still acting like a donkey. And if an SC feels the need to censor that then they might as well close the rant threads. |
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11/08/2012 04:06:29 PM · #392 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Kelli:
I'll be dead in 10 years, give or take a year either way. It won't much matter to me after that now would it. |
Sure, of course, why care about the future, or anyone else, when I can think about me right now instead?
Perhaps you'd be better served thinking about what you want to do with those last ten years to leave the world a better place. |
Cory, you know nothing about me or my family or the way I've lived my life. So just shut up already. If you ever get your medical degree and end up on the SSDI board, I'll be sure to consult with you. Until then, go butt into the people's lives you know are cheating the system. Be a man and turn them in or shut the hell up. |
First, I want to get this out of the way immediately: The phrase shut up is both childish and horribly disrespectful, you would be well advised to not try to win arguments with it.
Actually, I know a reasonable amount of information about your family, exactly what you've told me in fact. Speaking of family, you remind me of my mother, you look, think, and act a lot like her.
As for why I don't turn in the people I know? First, I'm no narc, snitches get stitches, or worse. I didn't report you for name calling, and I'm not reporting them either - if you get caught that's your problem.
I wouldn't have been trusted to know all of this if I had ever turned a single person in... If word got around that I was turning people in, I think my life expectancy might be significantly shorter than yours. That's how the world works, either you're someone people trust, or you're not.... Besides, just like the drug war - busting a few potheads doesn't solve shit - fix the system instead. |
Maybe I'm responding in kind to your childish rude behavior. How's it feel? And your round about insults, where you think you are being so clever (you did call your mother a liar, cheat & scammer then said I'm like your mother) are very childish as well. Like I said, you no nothing about me other than what I disclosed. You seemed to have missed the part about me working for 27 years and paying into the insurance system (which is what SSDI is). I'm no cheat, liar or scammer. And you are still acting like a donkey. And if an SC feels the need to censor that then they might as well close the rant threads. |
That wasn't intended to be round-about. I figured it should be obvious to all but the least observant. Although my mother is far more than just that, you clearly don't quite know the level of manipulative and victim type behavior that I attribute to that statement.
Just take a look at DustDevil's post (and response), so you can see a concrete example of what an honorable human being thinks like.
Besides, I never said you didn't deserve it, I asked you if you wouldn't rather be able to work as you are able, and get help with the rest. You're the one who started acting very defensive, as though I said you were undeserving, I did not. I stand by the fact that you seem able to work to me - what reasons do you have for not seeking employment as a photo-editor, or as a writer, or as... Any one of a number of things that don't require you to work physically? I understand you have physical pains, and that you have had heart attacks, but darn it - that doesn't mean you can't work. Perhaps you have some good reason you haven't shared, and don't want to share. Fine, but don't get pissy with me because I'm asking you honest questions - I really still don't even know if you deserve what you're getting, perhaps you do - but you sure haven't convinced me that you're not like a number of other people I know.
In fact, I specifically stated that your immobile relative was totally deserving, and that I wasn't sure at all about the injured relative, and asked why Worker's comp and insurance weren't more appropriate. In the end, your defensive response, to something that wasn't even intended as a personal attack (with language to express that), tells me something about your own feelings on how deserving you are.
I especially like your justifications about how long you paid in, and about how you'll be dead in ten years. Neither of which honestly has any effect upon whether or not you are a qualified recipient, which, I wasn't even questioning in the post that made you decide to poke me in the eye, all I wanted to know is if you were happy with the system that threatened you with a loss of benefits for contributing as you are able... Apparently, you are quite happy with it, which makes me question your reasons.
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11/08/2012 04:15:50 PM · #393 |
| Sure Cory, I just loved going from making 45k a year to 15k. Let me tell you, the quality of life really improved. When you can't get a doctor to sign off on going back to work no matter how much you beg it does so much for the morale. Yes, I'm bitter. And resentful. And tired of people like you who have no f'n clue at least half the time what you're talking about. You want to know about my character? I had an opportunity to sue the pants off a major hospital for malpractice for putting me in this position. I had doctors at another hospital chomping at the bit to testify they were so angry. I could have had at least one doctors licence revoked. But I didn't. Because people are human and make mistakes. I wouldn't need the measly amount of money I get from SSDI if I'd gone that route. |
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11/08/2012 04:24:13 PM · #394 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Besides, just like the drug war - busting a few potheads doesn't solve shit - fix the system instead. |
Neither does posting about it over and over every day, but since you do I'm going to assume you're Venusian and your days are 5832 hours long. That way I can believe you're a productive member of this society and not part of the problem.
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11/08/2012 04:24:44 PM · #395 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Once again we are talking about the weak, the poor, children, the disabled- fighting over a tiny piece of the pie while the baker vacations in the Riviera. If you want to chastise them and blame the country's problems on them- you have taken your eye off the ball, to the delight of some very rich and powerful people. |
Thank you for that.
This is not to say that the rich do not deserve to be rich, some do. But to say that those who are getting entitlements are the biggest part of the problem is amazing. Unlike most of the wealth in our country, entitlements are earned or granted to the destitute out of what was once known as "simple Christian charity", not passed down from generation to generation. |
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11/08/2012 04:33:48 PM · #396 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Once again we are talking about the weak, the poor, children, the disabled- fighting over a tiny piece of the pie while the baker vacations in the Riviera. If you want to chastise them and blame the country's problems on them- you have taken your eye off the ball, to the delight of some very rich and powerful people. |
Thank you for that.
This is not to say that the rich do not deserve to be rich, some do. But to say that those who are getting entitlements are the biggest part of the problem is amazing. Unlike most of the wealth in our country, entitlements are earned or granted to the destitute out of what was once known as "simple Christian charity", not passed down from generation to generation. |
Oh, I could give a shit less about the money they get.... It's the fact that some huge amount of potential is being washed down the drain every day.
It's not about what they're getting, it's about what they're failing to give.
Oh, and damn the bakers too. Why is it that we always act like we can't fix multiple problems at the same time. Both are problems, let's fix both.
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11/08/2012 05:01:00 PM · #397 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Sure Cory, I just loved going from making 45k a year to 15k. Let me tell you, the quality of life really improved. When you can't get a doctor to sign off on going back to work no matter how much you beg it does so much for the morale. Yes, I'm bitter. And resentful. And tired of people like you who have no f'n clue at least half the time what you're talking about. You want to know about my character? I had an opportunity to sue the pants off a major hospital for malpractice for putting me in this position. I had doctors at another hospital chomping at the bit to testify they were so angry. I could have had at least one doctors licence revoked. But I didn't. Because people are human and make mistakes. I wouldn't need the measly amount of money I get from SSDI if I'd gone that route. |
Kelli, first, I'm sure you're a decent person, I honestly don't think you're a cheat or a liar. The comparison to my mother was unfair, although admittedly, you could be her sister in terms of looks, and you do have a few bits of the attitude that I associate with her... Still, it was unfair to compare you to that monster.
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? I honestly don't get this at all, I know I've never been required to do a damned thing my doctors tell me, and usually don't. I've never been asked for a doctor's sign off when applying for a job, other than for the UA. You can bet my dad wasn't given a sign-off by the doctors to go back to home construction the day after he broke both ankles, but he still went. So, help me to understand why this was such a roadblock for you? If you felt that you could go back to work, and you wanted to, then why the heck didn't you just ignore those doctors?
And, as for the original issue, why shouldn't you have sued? This is just a really HUGE mystery to me... Is it right that the taxpayer now takes up the bill for the mistake of those doctors and hospital? They had insurance which they payed into for that, if they genuinely screwed up, then you made a big mistake in your misguided attempt at honesty. And by not having that doctor's license revoked, you allowed him to potentially do the same to others. My personal values of responsibility tell me that you failed to take the action that you had a social responsibility to take, and now because of that you expect to be given benefits, while there's a very real possibility that there is someone else out there who is suffering just like you today, because you allowed the doctor to continue practicing and didn't make them pay for their mistakes.
Sorry if that comes off harsh Kelli, I swear I'm not trying to pick on you, but darn it, I just can't at all understand your argument.
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11/08/2012 05:09:37 PM · #398 |
Kelli why didnt u sue the doc / hospital.....I am truly against lawsuits...However if there is ACTUAL malpractice than I agree with a lawsuit. I have spoken before about getting rid of frivolous lawsuits. It sounds to me like yours was genuine. I have a friend going through this right now. She went to the hospital with extreme pain in her stomach and they did some xrays, some asprin and said u will be fine. then sent her home. The x-ray showed air and puss in he abdominal cavity but it will be ok. She went to another hospital and sent her into surgery immediately. They said in another 12 hrs she would have been dead. They are suing. Some lawsuits are worth it.
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11/08/2012 05:18:54 PM · #399 |
Originally posted by Cory:
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? |
I don't know Kelli's situation, but my secretary was out on disability for months with a heart condition. Like Kelli, she very much wanted to come back to work, but the doc wouldn't let her. There was *no way* that the company was going to let anyone come back from disability until the Dr. signed off on it.
Of course she could have applied for other jobs, but what do you think is going to happen when the prospective employer asks "why did you leave your last job?" Should she lie? What happens when she gets caught lying on her job application?
edit: english, bloody english!
Message edited by author 2012-11-08 17:20:02. |
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11/08/2012 05:22:00 PM · #400 |
Originally posted by Ann:
Originally posted by Cory:
As for needing a doctor to sign off on going back to work, can you please tell me how that works? |
I don't know Kelli's situation, but my secretary was out on disability for months with a heart condition. Like Kelli, she very much wanted to come back to work, but the doc wouldn't let her. There was *no way* that the company was going to let anyone come back from disability until the Dr. signed off on it.
Of course she could have applied for other jobs, but what do you think is going to happen when the prospective employer asks "why did you leave your last job?" Should she lie? What happens when she gets caught lying on her job application?
edit: english, bloody english! |
Exactly. I was carted off in an ambulance from my job. I spent quite a bit of time in ICU. They were not taking me back without clearance. |
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