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11/06/2012 02:52:17 PM · #1 |
Hi
I tried to post this under other sunject headings, but I didn't get a "new topic" button ...very odd?
Anyway, please, I need some help with a shot that I want to get.
The final image I want to look more or less as follows:
Silhouette of a woman with light colored BG (that can be changed, but how would you see the silhouette if it isn’t a light BG? ) standing in the shower, with the water drops “glistening” on her body as they bounce off her. Basically showing up as light colored streaks/drops on the silhouette.
I am OK to do this in PP, if I knew how to get the basic images . If I can get everything in one, that would be amazing .
Here is the set-up I have: the shower has a large window in the back, that opens up completely and the wall behind, about 5 -6 meters away will give the light BG.
The shower has no enclosing walls, other than the back window which, as I said can be opened, and a wall on the left (from the camera’s perspective), where the showerhead is mounted. However, if need be a garden hose can be brought in through the window to get a different angle of the water, “simulating” the water of the shower.
The equipment I have is a camera, a 50-200 lens , a 18 - 35 lens and a flash that I can use off camera, plus the camera has the small pop-up flash as well in case I need light to come in from 2 sides. I don’t have any studio lights, but I could use a strong (very strong) flash light (flash light being the hand held battery operated things you take camping, not the photographic flash :-)).
As I am writing this, I am thinking that maybe the water drops should be photographed at night? Would they “shine” in the camera flash? I am thinking the type of effect when you drive in a car at night while it is raining and the rain “shines” in the head lights.
If it would help the whole process, I could invert all the colors and make her light and the BG dark.
Hope someone can give me some help with this project and no, it is not for a challenge, merely a "personal" challenge I wanted to do for some time.
Regards
Gaby
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11/06/2012 03:16:28 PM · #2 |
I think you need to backlight, maybe with the sun through the window the water to get the "sparkle" and create the light background/silhouette. Then use a fill from the front or slightly off to one side to put detail on the front if you want/need. Add other lights as necessary. You might need to create a finer spray than the typical showerhead to get the kind of effect you're looking for
Some examples of the effect you want, even if the subject doesn't match, would be really helpful.
//www.featurepics.com/FI/Thumb300/20061010/Barefoot-Skier-109158.jpg
Something like this, only in a shower? |
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11/06/2012 03:22:26 PM · #3 |
First you need a naked woman.
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11/06/2012 03:36:40 PM · #4 |
here is my take:
are the drops going to be in the foreground? if not you can back light the entire scene. the light will come through the drops since they are transparent, you just have to watch the light background doesn't engulf the water drops.
i would do this at night with two strobes, one to light the drops and create the silhouette the other behind the glass to light the background, you can gel that flash to tint the color.
keep your model and water far enough away from the background to create a smooth blurred backfill and not have that light spill onto your subject.
//500px.com/photo/3346265
Message edited by author 2012-11-06 15:40:03. |
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11/06/2012 03:44:48 PM · #5 |
What a great picture :-)
Yes, this is very similar to what I had in mind. I just wanted even less detail on the woman, but perhaps I need to re-look at that.
Thank you Mike |
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11/06/2012 03:46:02 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff: First you need a naked woman. |
> 50% of the human population is female ... surely one of them will undress??? ;-) |
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11/06/2012 03:49:22 PM · #7 |
Mike's picture is closer to what I wanted. But both of you mentioned the back lighting. Won't manage to do anything tonight, but will ponder the whole thing tomorrow, get the bits and pieces together and give it a shot tomorrow evening.
This gives you enough time as well to add anything :-)
Thank you so much |
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11/06/2012 03:54:16 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by kasaba:
What a great picture :-)
Yes, this is very similar to what I had in mind. I just wanted even less detail on the woman, but perhaps I need to re-look at that.
Thank you Mike |
well that's all in your lighting, if the area is dark and you dont have anything to bounce the light back from the front, plus you can always help it along in post.
take a bunch of shots with different levels of details. |
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11/06/2012 04:00:16 PM · #9 |
By the same photographer, I found this image (the woman is half nude but fairly well covered by her arm, if you are sensitive, don't open it) //500px.com/photo/3347625
To get the drops that sharp and clean (EXACTLY what I wanted, but still wanted less detail in my figure), I assume the light from the back is actually the flash and it was on quite a fast shutter speed?
I must check my camera, but I think the fastest it goes with a flash on (at least with the pop-up flash, I haven't done much with the other one yet), is 1/200. Is that fast enough to freeze the drops?
And the light from the left would probably just be the flash light bouncing off the tiles? and perhaps have a light on the right or in this case more tiles? Am I getting the right idea here?
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11/06/2012 04:05:36 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by kasaba: Originally posted by Yo_Spiff: First you need a naked woman. |
> 50% of the human population is female ... surely one of them will undress??? ;-) |
One of my friends who was shooting for Playboy said, "I wish I'd known all along that I just have to pick up a camera and I can tell women to take off their clothes...and they'll do it." |
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11/06/2012 04:35:37 PM · #11 |
i hate when people dont upload exif so you can see what they did.
that said you have to take a look and see what your flash duration is. the flash duration is actually what is going to control for you being little to no ambient lighting, so your flash need to dump all its light fast enough to freeze the drops.
i have no idea what the required speed is. |
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11/06/2012 04:58:26 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by kasaba: I must check my camera, but I think the fastest it goes with a flash on (at least with the pop-up flash, I haven't done much with the other one yet), is 1/200. Is that fast enough to freeze the drops? |
1/200th is as fast as you can go and use a flash. The strobe of light will freeze the subject, the shutter speed and be very slow as long as there isn't much light besides the flash, it will freeze the drops. If there is a lot of ambient light besides the flash, you may get a bit of blur. |
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11/06/2012 06:55:40 PM · #13 |
Am I wrong in thinking that you could set the flash to manual then expose for a dark girl w/o flash at 1/4000 then flash it?
And if you want the drops on the front of the girl as well to be bright I'd say to set a second "fill" flash at an angle that refracts correctly on the front side drops then use a mask on the girl herself to drop exposure only on the body. Of course that involves post processing but really not so much... |
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11/06/2012 07:19:29 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by mrchhas: Am I wrong in thinking that you could set the flash to manual then expose for a dark girl w/o flash at 1/4000 then flash it?
And if you want the drops on the front of the girl as well to be bright I'd say to set a second "fill" flash at an angle that refracts correctly on the front side drops then use a mask on the girl herself to drop exposure only on the body. Of course that involves post processing but really not so much... |
Quite wrong.
You'll need to have a slower shutter speed, as BrennanOB stated, 1/200 is a common max speed. (although 1/250 and 1/320 aren't unusual)
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Flash duration is what stops the motion, the lower power the flash burst, the shorter duration, the faster the exposure.
This is a decent write up on it, but there are many more.
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11/07/2012 12:28:36 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by mike_311: i hate when people dont upload exif so you can see what they did. |
Sometimes they can't help it — when I edit my photos, the EXIF data is stripped-out (using old version of Photoshop). However, if you ever see a photo of mine and want to know the EXIF info, send me a PM and I'll be happy to extract it from the original and post it in the comments ... :-) |
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11/07/2012 12:52:56 AM · #16 |
The issue on a flash is that you need the front and rear curtain on the shutter to be open when the flash pops. |
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