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10/31/2012 03:06:15 PM · #151 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Spork99:
All photographs are images created by reflected light. Light hits an object and certain wavelengths are reflected while others are absorbed. That reflected light is the light that enters the camera lens, where it's refracted to form an image on the film/sensor. |
You know, you actually have a good point here.
So what you believe is that it was basically impossible to be DNMC in that challenge unless you took a picture that included no light at all.
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What about Sony A77 and A99 users? Surely that reflected light is passing through a semi-translucent mirror thus making it a DNMC. ;) |
But the light used to create the image on the sensor is not reflected. |
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10/31/2012 03:15:30 PM · #152 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Cory:
The difference is that a simulated shadow still looks like a shadow, while a refraction does not look like a reflection. |
I was okay with your guys' stickler arguments (though I might not necessarily agree). You had a sound argument, however with that last statement you went from concrete to subjective reasoning.
As to say *all* "refraction do not look like reflection" is very subjective. |
Sheesh. This English thing is hard for some folks.
I suppose you would also argue that some dogs look like cats, and are therefore appropriately classified as "feline"
Message edited by author 2012-10-31 15:15:49. |
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10/31/2012 03:21:28 PM · #153 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I suppose you would also argue that some dogs look like cats, and are therefore appropriately classified as "feline" |
No, I am saying you can't use qualitative reasoning and quantitative reasoning all willy-nilly.
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10/31/2012 03:44:11 PM · #154 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
But the light used to create the image on the sensor is not reflected. |
Unless you are taking a picture directly of a light source (the sun, a light bulb), all the light entering the camera has been reflected off of the subject. It's then refracted (unless you are using a pinhole camera) and possibly reflected before it hits the sensor.
BTW: Guess what the "R" in "dSLR camera" stands for ... ;-) |
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10/31/2012 03:50:17 PM · #155 |
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Cory:
I suppose you would also argue that some dogs look like cats, and are therefore appropriately classified as "feline" |
No, I am saying you can't use qualitative reasoning and quantitative reasoning all willy-nilly. |
No, you said a simulated shadow is to a real shadow as refraction is to reflection. Which is clearly bunk. |
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10/31/2012 03:50:55 PM · #156 |
| Wow. I am the first to agree that there are a LOT of entries that do not meet the challenge. (I didn't even vote on the distraction challenge because I felt way too many entries dnmc.) Some of them even score high and make it to the front page. I do not, however, think that those reasons are justifiable reasons to insult people's intellect. This is supposed to be for fun and to allow us all to grow as photographers. |
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10/31/2012 03:53:43 PM · #157 |
Originally posted by lilysmom:
Wow. I am the first to agree that there are a LOT of entries that do not meet the challenge. (I didn't even vote on the distraction challenge because I felt way too many entries dnmc.) Some of them even score high and make it to the front page. I do not, however, think that those reasons are justifiable reasons to insult people's intellect. This is supposed to be for fun and to allow us all to grow as photographers. |
Is asking them to do a Google search too much? Really?
I'm not insulting their intelligence, I'm insulting their laziness and willful ignorance. |
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10/31/2012 03:57:00 PM · #158 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by lilysmom:
Wow. I am the first to agree that there are a LOT of entries that do not meet the challenge. (I didn't even vote on the distraction challenge because I felt way too many entries dnmc.) Some of them even score high and make it to the front page. I do not, however, think that those reasons are justifiable reasons to insult people's intellect. This is supposed to be for fun and to allow us all to grow as photographers. |
Is asking them to do a Google search too much? Really?
I'm not insulting their intelligence, I'm insulting their laziness and willful ignorance. |
At least in the case of the reflections challenge...just about ANY entry would have met the challenge description.
How the voters or the forum's peanut gallery will interpret the descriptions is typically less concrete. |
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10/31/2012 04:39:41 PM · #159 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Cory:
I suppose you would also argue that some dogs look like cats, and are therefore appropriately classified as "feline" |
No, I am saying you can't use qualitative reasoning and quantitative reasoning all willy-nilly. |
No, you said a simulated shadow is to a real shadow as refraction is to reflection. Which is clearly bunk. |
a simulated shadow that looks like a shadow, is the same as a refraction that looks like a reflection. |
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10/31/2012 04:44:59 PM · #160 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by jaysonmc:
Originally posted by Cory:
I suppose you would also argue that some dogs look like cats, and are therefore appropriately classified as "feline" |
No, I am saying you can't use qualitative reasoning and quantitative reasoning all willy-nilly. |
No, you said a simulated shadow is to a real shadow as refraction is to reflection. Which is clearly bunk. |
Actually what I am saying is:
A cutout is to a shadow as a refraction is to a reflection.
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A simulated shadow is to a real shadow as a quasi-looking reflection is to a real reflection.
You can't interject adjectives into one sentence then qualify it with nouns in your comparison. |
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10/31/2012 05:11:41 PM · #161 |
| Only problem is that to even a casual, but informed, observer refractions look nothing like reflections. |
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10/31/2012 05:32:56 PM · #162 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Only problem is that to even a casual, but informed, observer refractions look nothing like reflections. |
The thing is I respect your ideas (along with  Venser).
And at the end of the day--you get the good shot.
This whole thread is rhetoric. The system a closed voting system and a likely good reason for it.
So I responded why I vote the way I do, and I am sure others vote the way they do.
People might not accept it, they might question it, but it is unlikely that a thread pointing out fallacies will ever change it.
Just as breathing leaves a mouth its own way, or the sneeze that is different between you to me. |
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10/31/2012 05:56:48 PM · #163 |
Wasn't going to respond as I'm not fond of bickering, but I must say I am dismayed at the way this thread has veered off into a discussion of an on-going challenge. I think the kinds of comments being made using shadows as examples would not be tolerated in the Shadows voting thread. Why are they okay here?
BTW, I do not have an entry in that challenge. |
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10/31/2012 06:54:38 PM · #164 |
| Maybe we should have a refraction challenge... |
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10/31/2012 07:05:32 PM · #165 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Only problem is that to even a casual, but informed, observer refractions look nothing like reflections. |
Perhaps the violin itself, but the colored light all around, there is no way to tell to the casual observer, that it is not a reflection. |
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10/31/2012 07:45:26 PM · #166 |
Originally posted by MarkB:
Maybe we should have a refraction challenge... |
Yes.
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