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10/17/2012 12:16:39 PM · #26
Originally posted by hihosilver:

Congrats on your new camera body! I'm curious to know what projects you have in mind to shoot with it?

Lens recommendations seem like putting the cart before the horse without knowing your goals.

From your profile page, you seem to like primes.

But, then again, I look forward to the day I can buy them ALL!

::daintily eyes that 14-24 recommended by Kirbic::


Yes I like using primes mainly, but that being said I like the look of some of the variable focal length wides Nikon have.

The three focal lengths I'd like to have are 50, 85 and 28. I picked up the 50mm 1.8G yesterdays to get me going and have been looking at getting the 85mm 1.8G in the coming weeks. I'm unsure about the 28mm at the minute, I haven't heard much good about the 28mm 2.8G considering it's not that cheap.

I've been advised to steer clear of the older D lenses (I didn't know a thing about Nikon lenses until a couple of days ago) so I'll probably stick with the new glass for this camera.

As for what I'll be shooting with the camera. I do a lot of portraits, wander the streets photographing strangers for example and I've also got a project I'm about to start on photographing different kinds of artists.

I'll also be using this camera for any commercial work I get so I have to make sure I have the versatility in my lenses so I can also photograph the likes of weddings etc.

An 85mm and a SB-910 this year and some sort of wide early next year is my goal. (I'm probably going to have to get some faster cards soon too :( )

10/17/2012 08:41:11 PM · #27
Curious to hear the reasoning behind avoiding the D lenses? Non-AI I understand, but certainly not on the D...
10/17/2012 08:43:49 PM · #28
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Curious to hear the reasoning behind avoiding the D lenses? Non-AI I understand, but certainly not on the D...


Me too...:-)
10/17/2012 10:00:59 PM · #29
Originally posted by hihosilver:

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Curious to hear the reasoning behind avoiding the D lenses? Non-AI I understand, but certainly not on the D...


Me too...:-)

Me too :) My 50/1.4D and 85 1.4D are my favourite 2 lenses and would be the 2 I would never give up.
10/17/2012 10:40:56 PM · #30
Originally posted by salmiakki:

Originally posted by hihosilver:

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Curious to hear the reasoning behind avoiding the D lenses? Non-AI I understand, but certainly not on the D...


Me too...:-)

Me too :) My 50/1.4D and 85 1.4D are my favourite 2 lenses and would be the 2 I would never give up.


More to the point, and what I was alluding to- all lenses made after the early nineties are D lenses (whether they list it in their name or not), and it sounds like James may have been given some questionable insight.
The D refers to Distance and means the lenses register the distance during use.
Now, there are reasons that some of the older lenses pose problems, particularly on some bodies, but I wouldn't think the majority of those issues would come up with a D800 (peculiar metering might on some, but I haven't actually looked into it). Pre or Non-AI lenses should be avoided unless they are modified, which is a separate discussion. After modification they're ofted called AI'd or AID, meaning they've been made to "Auto-Index." Some of the old AI/AIS lenses are very good, but they are MF and lack the newer coatings. This may or may not be of import, depending upon usage.

Also, for what it's worth- the newer lenses are typically of the G type, meaning "Gelded." In practice, that just means they have no aperture ring, which isn't a big deal unless you enjoy reversing lenses and what not for macro use, in which case the aperture ring is supremely useful to have as a separate adjustment, should you want to use it. Keep in mind, lenses that have an aperture ring can be controlled using the camera command dials still, as well.

ETA:
Lastly, there are reasons that a user may want to avoid AF lenses in favor of an AF-S version. For instance, both my 2.8 zooms are AF-S so that I can have full time manual, which is integral for a lot of my shooting, but for portraiture, this wouldn't necessarily be as necessary. AF-S lenses are just hypersonic motors, the equivalent of USM in Canon-speak. AF-S does not mean it will focus faster than AF, as such performance varies from version to version and lens build to lens build.

Message edited by author 2012-10-17 22:44:22.
10/18/2012 06:57:40 PM · #31
Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

Curious to hear the reasoning behind avoiding the D lenses? Non-AI I understand, but certainly not on the D...


As I said I'm still new to Nikon lenses I was just told the D lenses are older and G are newer and older lenses might begin to show their flaws on such at high resolution.

Obviously this isn't going to be as black and white as that, I'm sure there are lots of older lenses that out perform there newer versions.

As I said I want something around 28mm. From what I've read there isn't much of a worthwhile option right now.

I bought the 50mm 1.8G as it wasn't much more than the D and from what I read it outperforms the 1.4 or they are both very similar at least.

I'd also like an 85mm and was looking at the 85mm 1.8G

Thanks for all the advice on my options, there are a lot of Nikon lenses, it's hard to filter through them all!
10/18/2012 11:59:15 PM · #32
Originally posted by JamesA:

there are a lot of Nikon lenses, it's hard to filter through them all!


ha ha lens.....filter.....get it?
10/19/2012 12:51:29 AM · #33
Originally posted by JamesA:



Thanks for all the advice on my options, there are a lot of Nikon lenses, it's hard to filter through them all!


There are a ton, so I'd suggest you try and find reviews that use a given lens on a D3X, the next highest Nikon for resolution. It's been used extensively, and finding info on the 85's etc shouldn't be too hard. Photozone.de uses a D3x for their FX tests.
One thing I should note though, is that the use of the D designation shouldn't mean anything in relation to this. All G lenses are D lenses (they register distance), so I wouldn't approach it like that necessarily.
With the 85 1.8AF vs the AFS- I'd look at it considering if you thought AF-S would be useful or not. That alone is the majority of the cost you're bearing which isn't that much in this case, and the build is a bit more plastic/less solid feeling. I also like having the aperture ring for macro work- it's handy.
If you're considering the 85 1.4 AF vs the AF-S- It's a matter of cost, really. Is it better? Probably. Is it $500 better? That might be a bit tougher to answer.

As for the 28, not too sure of what to suggest. I enjoy the 24 2.8, but have never really cared to stare at the negs I've shot with it on FX. The new 28 1.8 is nice, but quite a bit more expensive.
10/19/2012 02:18:06 PM · #34
Originally posted by JamesA:

The three focal lengths I'd like to have are 50, 85 and 28.

...

As for what I'll be shooting with the camera. I do a lot of portraits, wander the streets photographing strangers for example and I've also got a project I'm about to start on photographing different kinds of artists.


I had a look at your website to get an idea of your photography. My Nikon hero, Gringo recommended to me some time ago the 28-70 (aptly named the "Beast" by spiritualspatula) which fits within your comfort zone range as you describe above. This lens defines "work horse." Gringo claims the lens as his very favorite and snubs the newer 24-70 model. I trust his opinion. You will have to decide for yourself...;-)

One of my true regrets in photography remains my lack of experience in portraiture. So, alas, all posts from me may be properly categorized as "Clueless." ;-)

Should you reconsider older lenses, I highly recommend a conversation with tvsometime who is most generous with his technical knowledge and expertise (and has no idea that I am volunteering him...lol). He has a true passion for Nikon glass.

Good luck and I look forward to seeing how your Nikonian work unfolds.

Message edited by author 2012-10-19 14:18:55.
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