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09/13/2012 09:15:59 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Maybe it would make a difference if you think of it as contibuting to a scholarship fund, with the indirect benefit of helping someone else become a "more productive" member of society, and therefore making society (and your own life, if you believe in that trickle-down stuff) better in the long run.
In the old days, many artists had patrons, and churches have a history of commissioning art, at least partly to support artists so they could survive. |
Again, I don't have the money to invest in something does not give me a return. Once again, that is why I asked the first 2 questions. If I ever get an artistic, book idea and need funding I might actually utilize this method but I don't. |
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09/13/2012 09:34:22 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Again, I don't have the money to invest in something does not give me a return. |
And I'm not at all suggesting that you should, nor that there was anything wrong with your asking for clarification in the first place. |
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09/13/2012 09:40:32 PM · #28 |
I don't care that this was posted but it's shocking at the amount of money that has been donated already so you can see Iceland. There are so many other people in need and this is where people are being generous with their money. I posted a link for my sister (suddenly mentally and physically disabled) a couple weeks ago on here and FB. She does not receive government help at the moment and hasn't for over a year since this happened to her. I had less than 10 donations including my own. She received $386 in the end of the fundraiser. She was very grateful for that. It's really sad that this is what people, who can give, do with their money.
If you raise enough and get all of your equipment that is great, I'll be happy for you. But if you were on the other side and needed food, shelter, electric etc, then you would see where these other posters are coming from. I'm not asking you to feel sorry for others but you shouldn't be offended by people being put off by you asking for money for cameras, lodging, and other things. If someone posted "My husband died and he had no life insurance. We were planning on moving to the Caribbean but now I have no money. Can you donate to my fund?" Wouldn't you think that's...I cant even think of a word for it. You're also posting this on a site where ppl love photography and some can't even afford a decent camera let alone more equipment. |
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09/13/2012 09:42:28 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I don't care that this was posted ... |
Apparently you do ... :-( |
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09/13/2012 09:44:05 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by kawesttex:
Again, I don't have the money to invest in something does not give me a return. |
And I'm not at all suggesting that you should, nor that there was anything wrong with your asking for clarification in the first place. |
I think your use of the term 'venture capitalism' threw me off and I don't think the model of Kickstarter fits that model at all. I think they take their % of donations for themselves then the balance goes to the person receiving the funds. I could be wrong and if people use and achieve their goals it's great.
I'm done and good night to all! |
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09/13/2012 09:49:43 PM · #31 |
no. I said I was happy for her but to try and see it from a different viewpoint. Don't be a bully.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
I don't care that this was posted ... |
Apparently you do ... :-( |
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09/13/2012 10:02:58 PM · #32 |
Any chance we can simply donate, or not. Like the idea, or not. Without sniping at each other?
My bad, I forget this was DPC, of course not... Sigh....
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09/13/2012 10:28:10 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
Don't be a bully. |
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Sorry, you first wrote that you didn't care, and then followed it with two long and tightly-packed paragraphs of relatively passionate opinion ... my comment was merely an observation that I found it somewhat ironic, not being a bully.
I think if you really "don't care" then you exit the thread without posting at all.
Now, if you indeed believe I was being a "bully" the correct DPC response is to report my post using the appropriate link, and to not respond or call me out in the thread yourself.
Message edited by author 2012-09-13 22:29:19. |
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09/13/2012 11:17:44 PM · #34 |
Just chiming in for a minute to say that I understand some people's reaction to negative feelings regarding this, i wasn't quite sure how i felt at first when i read this, so i shut my mouth and mulled it over for the evening. After a few hours of quiet contemplation i see nothing to get so up in arms over. We've all gone through periods of loss in our lives and many of us have wished we could just pack up and leave it behind for a while, do something new and exciting and change who we are to some degree as a result of the journey. Sadly this young lady has lost her brother to cancer and had a near-death experience of her own shortly thereafter. I can't imagine anybody who wouldn't want a change of scenery for a little while following those experiences. Most of us have set roots in the community (family, jobs, friends, etc) and wouldn't upset that little balanced life to move across the world and try something new. Katherine is, and for that - for having the balls to actually do that - I applaud her.
There is nothing here stating that any of our DPC membership fees are going towards this, nor are tax payers money from a government fund, nor is any money from anybody who disagrees with her, or cannot afford to help her with this. As such, there is no valid reason to call her out and belittle her for trying to make a mark on her life with some assistance. In fact, the kickstarter fund, if it reaches a high enough level, will mean she doesn't need a bank loan - that is the only way you could be impacted - the bank you put your money in is loaning her the money that she will repay with interest. That's right, she'll pay it back if she needs the loan. She's shown she has the desire and work ethic to do so, and is using all of her own money in the process - it's not like she's asking us to send her there without her paying anything. She's going all in on this - again, something not many of us would be able to say we'd do.
I truly wish Katherine the best in this endeavor, and I look forward to seeing the book when it comes out. I would like to express to her my condolences at the loss of her brother at such a young age, and hope that she doesn't let the words of a few people here cast any negative light on her experience or memory of this incredible adventure when she's looking back on it from the other side. |
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09/13/2012 11:20:03 PM · #35 |
I take responsibility for this thread as I am the one who originally created it. I haven't read all of the responses but Kickstarter is a way to help people fund their hopes, dreams, projects, inventions etc where you can get something in return. You don't have to 'buy' into someones project if you don't want to but it most certainly is not charity. (At least that's my opinion)
To all of you'se who have nothing nice to say, keep it to your self.
Message edited by author 2012-09-13 23:22:41. |
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09/13/2012 11:48:35 PM · #36 |
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Message edited by author 2012-09-13 23:48:53. |
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09/13/2012 11:49:13 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
I take responsibility for this thread as I am the one who originally created it. I haven't read all of the responses but Kickstarter is a way to help people fund their hopes, dreams, projects, inventions etc where you can get something in return. You don't have to 'buy' into someones project if you don't want to but it most certainly is not charity. (At least that's my opinion)
To all of you'se who have nothing nice to say, keep it to your self. |
You are a good friend! |
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09/13/2012 11:55:40 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
I take responsibility for this thread as I am the one who originally created it. I haven't read all of the responses but Kickstarter is a way to help people fund their hopes, dreams, projects, inventions etc where you can get something in return. You don't have to 'buy' into someones project if you don't want to but it most certainly is not charity. (At least that's my opinion)
To all of you'se who have nothing nice to say, keep it to your self. |
You are a good friend! |
I'll second that. |
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09/14/2012 12:43:45 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by RobotBanjo:
the finished book will be sold on Amazon, but a return on pledging is against Kickstarter rules |
I have had friends who have launched projects on Kickstarter, and while you can't offer an ROI, a friend needed money to record, master and release a CD and he offered liner credits for one level of donation, signed copies at the next, and regular copies at a lower level. So there are legal ways of saying "thank you" within Kickstarter.
If you are offended by the very notion of Kickstarter campaigns, please feel free not to donate. |
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09/14/2012 05:32:04 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
To all of you'se who have nothing nice to say, keep it to your self. |
This is a forum, people are going to post their opinions (within the limits of forum rules) - If you didn't want feedback then use AdWords.
If you thought about this objectively, and in context of some recent threads we've had on here (Dallas Rydings, docpjv etc) then you might understand why some people see this as frivolous.
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09/14/2012 06:11:40 AM · #41 |
It would be nice is people could just keep their opinions to themselves when the only intent is to be hurtful.
if you dont want to donate, move along, no need to turn this thread into a debate over its worthiness.
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09/14/2012 07:43:55 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by JH:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
To all of you'se who have nothing nice to say, keep it to your self. |
This is a forum, people are going to post their opinions (within the limits of forum rules) - If you didn't want feedback then use AdWords.
If you thought about this objectively, and in context of some recent threads we've had on here (Dallas Rydings, docpjv etc) then you might understand why some people see this as frivolous. |
Just because a thing can be said, does not mean it should be said. I am dreadfully tired of people using the banner of "I am just being honest" or "that's just how I am, I keep it real" or the ever popular "hey, if you don't want to hear it, don't post it in a public forum" as if that gives them the green light to act like an A**HOLE or to say rude, hurtful things to people.
If you think someone trying to honor their deceased sibling can be seen "frivilous" then you need to learn some compassion, everyone deals with grief differently.
Message edited by author 2012-09-14 07:44:35. |
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09/14/2012 08:54:24 PM · #43 |
whatever dude. i know what i meant. you win.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Chinabun:
Don't be a bully. |
???
Sorry, you first wrote that you didn't care, and then followed it with two long and tightly-packed paragraphs of relatively passionate opinion ... my comment was merely an observation that I found it somewhat ironic, not being a bully.
I think if you really "don't care" then you exit the thread without posting at all.
Now, if you indeed believe I was being a "bully" the correct DPC response is to report my post using the appropriate link, and to not respond or call me out in the thread yourself. |
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09/14/2012 08:58:11 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Chinabun:
(...) i know what i meant. (...) |
Heh.. How the heck is that supposed to help anyone? ;) |
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