Band video shoot upside down on ceiling and walls.

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08/14/2012 03:00:36 AM · #1

So got a picture message last night from a band I roadie for asking if their new video idea was doable, literally on the inside of a fag packet.

They want two drummers on the floor, I guitar 90 degrees off the wall, singer on roof with guitar amp and keyboard, bass player on right hand wall.

So my initial thoughts were do it then composite it, but I'm on actually physical side of things I'm not shooting the video

Given the right room I can mount everything to walls and cringing no problem,

Even sketched some brackets to fix to the walls for the two side guys to lie on so it looks like they are standing

Roof ones going to be trickier, thinking foot holes from say windsurf board or ski boots and bindings but then gotta hide ski boot

I'll get some of my climbing mates to rig harnesses for him

Then make a rotating jig for the camera so it can sit on a tripod and rotate.

So I'm I making this harder than it needs to be? Can it all just be merged like I would with a photo save me a load of work building a room and making it strong enough etc

Thoughts or ideas ps this will be a zero budget job

Band are called dead sons see YouTube etc

G :)

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Skip

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08/14/2012 04:12:27 AM · #2

zero budget or not, i wouldn't rig anything like that without a liability waiver ;-)

hope this works out, would love to see the results.

Cory

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08/14/2012 04:21:02 AM · #3

build an entire room that can be rotated, then merge in post...

Oh wait. zero budget?

Yeah... I think even your idea was getting close to $200...

Video? Hell. I don't know, but this sounds like you need a really good video editing guy who has nothing better to do.

08/14/2012 04:35:30 AM · #4

Haha gotta love you Americans and suing for everything :)

Won't be any litigation it's their idea I'm just using my building skills,

Cory I don't mind giving my time and some scrap steel for the brackets, we've got an extensive machine shop so there's always some 1" box section around

I try and help new bands out been lucky to go rd the world with bands that have made it big so you never know.

I'll speak with my mate who's doing the video

Alex_Petrini

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08/14/2012 05:08:06 AM · #5

Maybe not too hard but it's a matter of perspective: if the video is shot in complete darkness with only the musician under the lights (no backgrounds etc.) everything can be put together in After Effects rotating and masking everything. But the most important thing is having perfect video shootings (for instance - the shooting for the guys at 90 degrees would have to be shot from an higher position and not simply frontal).

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08/14/2012 07:40:27 AM · #6

Director wants to one shot it with all 5 band members

Betting get some big tubs of glue hehe

Gonna be fun, if it goes ahead ill shoot some stills

Mike

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08/14/2012 08:34:28 AM · #7

green screen and put together in post. there is a reason the pros do it this way, its cheaper, easier and better results :)

Alex_Petrini

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08/14/2012 08:46:38 AM · #8

Originally posted by mike_311:

green screen and put together in post. there is a reason the pros do it this way, its cheaper, easier and better results :)

Do you think is it so easy with a green screen? If you use green screen you have to create all the stuff around the musicians - and then you need a guy very skilled in CGI. Not to mention a perfect lighting, otherwise the green screen effect doesn't work.

Mike

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08/14/2012 08:49:35 AM · #9

people do this stuff all the time on the internet.

Alex_Petrini

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08/14/2012 08:51:31 AM · #10

Originally posted by mike_311:

people do this stuff all the time on the internet.

I hoped a better explanation :)

Everyone can do it, but I'm talking of what Giles asked - doing something with green screen can be very easy and very hard at the same time. It depends on what you're searching for.

JamesDowning

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08/14/2012 09:30:43 AM · #11

What kind of video equipment do you have available? I'm guessing since you said zero budget, it's not much. The problem is you need to make the video dynamic, switching between the musicians and allowing the musicians to be active. By cementing the musicians in place, in the case of a shoot-all-at-once scenario, are they going to be able to move and be dynamic?

I think your best bet with a shot like this is to first carefully choreograph the camera's 3d path through the room. Then, inside a perfectly white room, have the camera run the same exact path 6 times... but mount the camera base on each of the 6 walls, for 6 separate complete shoots, shooting each of the musicians standing on the floor. Then it's just a matter of splitting the separate video tracks as needed.

Or at least, that seems the most simple method, considering the complex concept. However it requires a very good camera boom.

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08/14/2012 11:56:38 AM · #12

We've got a bit of stuff dollies etc shoulder rugs etc

But we need gravity effect so hair clothing leads etc falling with gravity so going to have to hang them off the ceiling I think

Have to sit down with my mate and plan it out, he's done some good stuff before one of them doing well at mo is Hula girl

DrAchoo

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08/14/2012 12:49:38 PM · #13

How about changing the perspective a little? If the video is about a band playing on the inside of a cigarette box, how about the video from the persoective of the viewer looking down at the inside of the box. You can still have members on each side of the box but they would all be equally affected by gravity. The rig would be easier which would be to shoot down at people bolted on walls with gravity pulling away from the camera shot. Safetywise it works as well as you can bolt them in a foot off the ground with a white floor. Heck, if you wanna get creative, built a few giant cigs for the corners of the box. :)

Devinder

08/14/2012 02:56:46 PM · #14

When you're doing a setup like this, i imagine your directors going to have to be told it can't necessarily be done the way he wants it. I'ld pitch the options. Personally, I'd do gridded lights on just the musicians and all in near pitch black as some others have suggested. Its seems like a cheap n easy way to do it. If you have a bigger budget or access to more resources, you might be able to pull something bigger off.

If you want to be really really unsafe about it, you can attach steel poles to the wall and cielings (god i hope you have some strong cieling - preferrably somethingthat can handle a chandilier)and use tape+vests underneath the clothes. Would i do it upside down? no. Sideways? yes.

disclaimer- i dont recommend using my ideas. period.

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08/14/2012 04:13:39 PM · #15

we'll shoot down my mates place, hes got an old warehouse with a 6 ton gantry crane that spans about 8 metres so got the space and strength

the cigraette packet was the sketch no the idea, its a saying over here drew it on the back of a fag packet

means a really quick sketch etc but this one was actually on a fag packet ill upload it

DrAchoo

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08/14/2012 06:09:21 PM · #16

LOL. That's funny. Somehow I got thinking the idea was to be in an actual box of cigarettes. Friggin Queen's English. It's useless I tell you! At the very least you can be happy I understood "fag" to mean cigarette...

DrAchoo

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08/14/2012 06:12:29 PM · #17

Wait! How's this for an idea? Set up a series of treadmills. The band members can let the treadmills take them from spot to spot as they jump through and around them. It's gold I tell ya!