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08/13/2012 10:33:30 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Neat:
ok thanks all, that's enough depressing information to last me a week!
I will try to never ever over sharpen an image again~ |
hopefully you learned from this mistake, far too many people overcook their images and make them look worse. let the image stand on its own.
not every image works with every style of processing.
the second image in your thread is a much, much better image. the composition alone is simple, has a main focus and stands on its own.
your challenge entry has no idea what it wants to be. there are too many subjects and distractions. the structure is far too busy and the eye loses its direction and the processing choice enhances those flaws not hiding them and in the end makes it worse by adding in artifacts and halos.
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08/13/2012 10:44:48 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by knikki:
[quote=Neat]Stick with your work, Anita - you do amazing things. Not all of them are ribbon worthy, and that's hardly a criticism! It's what makes you an artist - and an admired photographer. |
'nuf said. And Skip's post is exactly right. Trying to swim against the tide is an exercise in frustration. You can either enter what DPC likes or what you like. If they're not the same thing, they will not receive the same results. |
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08/13/2012 12:54:20 PM · #28 |
As you know Anita I am one of your greatest fans and have several of you shots as favs.
This shot however didn,t have any of the feeling that I often find in your work.
I gave it a five and still see it as such,I quite liked the processing as it happens.
I would like you to do what you are happy with please.
And keep me and your other fans happy too. |
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08/13/2012 01:06:03 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
'nuf said. And Skip's post is exactly right. Trying to swim against the tide is an exercise in frustration. You can either enter what DPC likes or what you like. If they're not the same thing, they will not receive the same results. |
I will add to Johanna's excellent statement, if they don't score well, it's not necessarily a bad thing and if they do score well, it doesn't mean they are a bad meaningless photo either, Anita.
Message edited by author 2012-08-13 13:12:31. |
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08/13/2012 02:23:29 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Originally posted by tanguera:
'nuf said. And Skip's post is exactly right. Trying to swim against the tide is an exercise in frustration. You can either enter what DPC likes or what you like. If they're not the same thing, they will not receive the same results. |
I will add to Johanna's excellent statement, if they don't score well, it's not necessarily a bad thing and if they do score well, it doesn't mean they are a bad meaningless photo either, Anita. |
Well said by Johanna and John.
I'm a little surprised you weren't able to see all the considered flaws others have mentioned regarding your image Anita, but I think we have all been in the same position at one time or another. We experience something in a scene or moment that moves us yet what moved us just doesn't come out in a capture. Sometimes being "moved" is "intoxicating" and we just can't see things clearly- artistically or technically. I expect that is what happened here and it's just time to move on :)
As far as Topaz Denoise goes, I think it's a good product and the only one in their suite I use on a regular basis. If you are trying to use it for effect, that is where you are maybe using it wrong. I have used several noise removal plug-ins and though Topaz takes longer, it preserves the detail better than the others. I use it sparingly to remove noise only with it, and it does a great job. |
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08/14/2012 03:45:41 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Venser:
I gave it a three.
It was the post processing that really bothered me. I didn't like the monochrome treatment to the photo along with what looks like to be either over sharpening or ramping the definition up to max. I prefer subtle edits and once it reaches this level, any image will be hard pressed to elicit anything higher than a four out of me. |
ok yes I probably did over sharpen it a slight, but a 3, I see over sharpened images on DP all the time win ribbons, still thanks anyway! |
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You dismissed him, and marginalized his input
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Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by Neat:
Actually I even thought it was better than this shot of mine which recvd 6.71  so why did that do well and not the beach shot, haa I'm baffled!! |
I haven't the foggiest... This one has really bad jpg artifacts... Probably just that it really fit the challenge well, had the right mood, and most voters don't know what a jpg artifact is... :) Plus it didn't have that awful blue/indigo/violet color. ;) |
i know about the artifacts, hoping no one would notice...lol and no one seemed to, well no comments about it! |
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Since there were no comments, clearly there was no problem? You seemed to ignore the reasons I gave why it did do well, despite the problem with artifacting.
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Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by mrchhas:
personally not a fan of the blue treatment but more importantly to me (and it seems only to me) is the composition - i'd've liked to have seen the bottom 10-15% cropped out... i think that would have increased the flow of the shore and the beach and let more the imagination work instead of seeing the stone wall in the foreground. plus it would've put the dude in the corner which i think would have increased the emotive aspect of the image. |
but then it would of looked just like this ~ |
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You did ask why you didn't score well right? Well, funny enough his advice led directly to an image that actually did score quite well... Why dismiss it so readily?
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Originally posted by Neat:
ok thanks all, that's enough depressing information to last me a week!
I will try to never ever over sharpen an image again~ |
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You are now depressed? Because we tried to help?... Gawd, that's depressing!
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I hope I don't offend you Neat, but I took the time to write this in the hopes that you'll re-read your comments and see that you aren't listening very well, or showing much appreciation for the offered advice.
I was pretty disappointed by your response to many in this thread, and my suggested edit - in short your response was "na still like my blue tones better, how about being adventurous!"...
Well, it's fine that you want to be adventurous, but if your goal is to understand why you didn't get a 6.9 on this, then I'd suggest you start listening to what everyone said here.
If you want to be adventurous, then I support you in that, but don't expect to score well, and title your next thread "how can I be more creative" so that we can offer advice that you're interested in and won't largely dismiss immediately.
Cheers.
-CB
Message edited by author 2012-08-14 15:46:09. |
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