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07/26/2012 11:29:01 AM · #1
shoot an image of person or people, with a prime lens wide open.

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07/26/2012 11:43:18 AM · #2
Love this idea!!!
07/26/2012 11:44:43 AM · #3
yesssssssssssssssssssssssss
07/26/2012 11:46:37 AM · #4
havent had a portrait challenge in forever
07/26/2012 11:48:21 AM · #5
Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?
07/26/2012 11:55:19 AM · #6
Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?


I think he may have been making a statement with the suggestion... Thought of that myself, first thing... Still, it's a good suggestion, whether he was serious, or not.
07/26/2012 12:31:26 PM · #7
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?


I think he may have been making a statement with the suggestion... Thought of that myself, first thing... Still, it's a good suggestion, whether he was serious, or not.


if you want to limit equipment, I say lets limit it this way. lets not limit ourselves to cellphones or dslrs or point and shots or someones elese's camera, let limits ourselves to shallow DOF, large DOF, specific focal ranges, fast shutter, slow shutter, etc... do all that while confining to a specific topic.

force ourselves to differentiate from others to stand out.

i'm with Cory that we to start really constraining these challenges more.

instead of silhouettes, it should be silhouettes at noon.

or vintage in pink, or glass - outdoors, or mundane with balloons.

really stir the creative pots.

Message edited by author 2012-07-26 12:32:05.
07/26/2012 12:45:05 PM · #8
you do this at a time when i just sold off my primes... sigh =/

not that i enter every challenge anyways. To counter, let me propose a Zoom Lens challenge... wait that sounds lame.

sigh have at it, i ll try to borrow a 50mm 1.8
07/26/2012 12:57:39 PM · #9
Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?


I think he may have been making a statement with the suggestion... Thought of that myself, first thing... Still, it's a good suggestion, whether he was serious, or not.


if you want to limit equipment, I say lets limit it this way. lets not limit ourselves to cellphones or dslrs or point and shots or someones elese's camera, let limits ourselves to shallow DOF, large DOF, specific focal ranges, fast shutter, slow shutter, etc... do all that while confining to a specific topic.

force ourselves to differentiate from others to stand out.

i'm with Cory that we to start really constraining these challenges more.

instead of silhouettes, it should be silhouettes at noon.

or vintage in pink, or glass - outdoors, or mundane with balloons.

really stir the creative pots.


I think this is EXACTLY the right idea, we really would have more fun this way as a group, I'm almost certain of it...

Sure some folks will make a bit of noise about not liking it, but honestly? I expect far less controversy over this than many other topics we talk about here... Let's just hope the administration notices.

BTW: I think this should be a Shallow DOF Portrait challenge... Maybe Shallow DOF Human Portrait. ;) (Lest we get dogs, cats, birds, squirrels, goats and lizards)...
07/26/2012 01:00:37 PM · #10
BTW: If you really do support this idea, please, join me in suggesting some new, very specific challenges, just create a new post here..

-Cheers!

-CB

PS. For those who may want to complain about restricting creativity: I would invite you to express your great creativity through the suggestion of creatively specific challenges. Black dog with a white cat riding on a brown horse challenge anyone? ;)

Message edited by author 2012-07-26 13:01:12.
07/26/2012 01:01:57 PM · #11
Sounds great. If you don't have a prime, make a body cap pinhole. :)
07/26/2012 01:04:49 PM · #12
the big fat aperture challenge
07/26/2012 01:08:55 PM · #13
love this :)
07/26/2012 01:20:19 PM · #14
the "does this shot make my aperture look big" challenge

but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?
07/26/2012 01:27:14 PM · #15
Originally posted by blindjustice:



but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?


07/26/2012 01:36:20 PM · #16
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by blindjustice:



but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?




Arguably not a portrait. At least not in the classic sense of the word.

ETA: Even the heida would agree, the image you posted she chose to put in the sky gallery and the nature gallery..

Here's one she put in the portrait gallery:

Yet, I would like to point out that this portrait was shot with neither a prime, nor all that fast of a lens. But I'm pretty sure it was wide open. :)

Message edited by author 2012-07-26 13:41:17.
07/26/2012 01:38:33 PM · #17
Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by LanndonKane:

Originally posted by blindjustice:



but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?




Arguably not a portrait. At least not in the classic sense of the word.


apparently facial predominance is an element of a portrait, so you'd be right about that.
07/26/2012 01:42:20 PM · #18
Originally posted by skewsme:

the big fat aperture challenge

Love it.

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?


I think he may have been making a statement with the suggestion... Thought of that myself, first thing... Still, it's a good suggestion, whether he was serious, or not.


if you want to limit equipment, I say lets limit it this way. lets not limit ourselves to cellphones or dslrs or point and shots or someones elese's camera, let limits ourselves to shallow DOF, large DOF, specific focal ranges, fast shutter, slow shutter, etc... do all that while confining to a specific topic.

force ourselves to differentiate from others to stand out.

i'm with Cory that we to start really constraining these challenges more.

instead of silhouettes, it should be silhouettes at noon.

or vintage in pink, or glass - outdoors, or mundane with balloons.

really stir the creative pots.


I think the last bit of ideas would be interesting but wouldnt want to see it too much. It would make the creative range smaller and we would see a lot of similar photos. It would basically be telling me what to shoot "vintage in pink" "mundane balloons". I think there should be "skills" challenges, like the one mentioned about wide open prime portrait shots. Its not neccesarily an equipment challenge more than its a skills challenge to see who can make the best portait with a prime lens and large depth of field. Something like a "neutral density" challenge would be awesome for an equipment challenge or maybe an "on camera flash" challenge?
07/26/2012 01:46:29 PM · #19
Originally posted by blindjustice:



but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?


I never shot portraits wide open, unless im trying to get creative with shallow DOF. its too hard to hit focus consistently in the environment i shoot.

anyone would be wise to stop down since primes are hardly ever sharpest wide open.

im amenable to the "shallow DOF" as opposed to "prime wide open", it would let more people play.
07/26/2012 01:57:15 PM · #20
Originally posted by miamimanq7:



I think the last bit of ideas would be interesting but wouldnt want to see it too much. It would make the creative range smaller and we would see a lot of similar photos. It would basically be telling me what to shoot "vintage in pink" "mundane balloons". I think there should be "skills" challenges, like the one mentioned about wide open prime portrait shots. Its not neccesarily an equipment challenge more than its a skills challenge to see who can make the best portrait with a prime lens and large depth of field. Something like a "neutral density" challenge would be awesome for an equipment challenge or maybe an "on camera flash" challenge?


first, wide open would be a shallow DOF, large DOF would be easy and not very challenging.

second, the challenges lately have become far to broad in topic and thus as Cory pointed out has made the challenges boring. will we see similar stuff? yes, but we are also going to get some people thinking out of the box to produce some real gems.

my participation level has dropped recently becuase the challenges have bee far to broad to maintain my interest.

glass is boring, glass outdoors, now people need to think, they cant just setup a wineglass with pretty lighting. or mundane, boring. now force us to add a balloon and it becomes interesting, same here with this: people, boooring, but force us to use extremely shallow DOF and you will get all kinds of creative takes on it.

on camera flash and ND filter would be great too, but lets confine it a bit more so it inst so free studyish.
07/26/2012 02:05:17 PM · #21
Originally posted by Cory:


Arguably not a portrait. At least not in the classic sense of the word.


If you want variety in challenges, don't go about saying things like this...

Message edited by author 2012-07-26 14:23:44.
07/26/2012 02:06:08 PM · #22
Originally posted by miamimanq7:

Originally posted by skewsme:

the big fat aperture challenge

Love it.

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by mike_311:

i'll continue to not understand why we feel the need to limit our equipment.

Your quote from the other suggestion thread.
But what happens to all the members without a prime lens? Could they simply shoot with a zoom lens wide open?


I think he may have been making a statement with the suggestion... Thought of that myself, first thing... Still, it's a good suggestion, whether he was serious, or not.


if you want to limit equipment, I say lets limit it this way. lets not limit ourselves to cellphones or dslrs or point and shots or someones elese's camera, let limits ourselves to shallow DOF, large DOF, specific focal ranges, fast shutter, slow shutter, etc... do all that while confining to a specific topic.

force ourselves to differentiate from others to stand out.

i'm with Cory that we to start really constraining these challenges more.

instead of silhouettes, it should be silhouettes at noon.

or vintage in pink, or glass - outdoors, or mundane with balloons.

really stir the creative pots.


I think the last bit of ideas would be interesting but wouldnt want to see it too much. It would make the creative range smaller and we would see a lot of similar photos. It would basically be telling me what to shoot "vintage in pink" "mundane balloons". I think there should be "skills" challenges, like the one mentioned about wide open prime portrait shots. Its not neccesarily an equipment challenge more than its a skills challenge to see who can make the best portait with a prime lens and large depth of field. Something like a "neutral density" challenge would be awesome for an equipment challenge or maybe an "on camera flash" challenge?


i would tremendously enjoy a neutral density challenge
07/26/2012 02:13:50 PM · #23
I have a prime lens - a 50 f/2 from the '60s. It doesn't have a CPU, so how do I prove I used it for the shot, other than show the ghosting, flare, and major chromatic aberration that are all but unavoidable wide open?

ETA: just saw this:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

i would tremendously enjoy a neutral density challenge

This would be cool, but how do you prevent it from being a free study? You could limit it to something ND filters are good for, like "long exposure during the day," or if you prefer graduated filters, "HDR with Basic Editing."

Message edited by author 2012-07-26 14:18:56.
07/26/2012 02:21:39 PM · #24
Originally posted by George:

I have a prime lens - a 50 f/2 from the '60s. It doesn't have a CPU, so how do I prove I used it for the shot, other than show the ghosting, flare, and major chromatic aberration that are all but unavoidable wide open?

ETA: just saw this:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:

i would tremendously enjoy a neutral density challenge

This would be cool, but how do you prevent it from being a free study? You could limit it to something ND filters are good for, like "long exposure during the day," or if you prefer graduated filters, "HDR with Basic Editing."


yeah, i was hoping for the long exposure during the day angle.
07/26/2012 02:42:34 PM · #25
Originally posted by blindjustice:

but seriously, is there any other way to shoot a portrait besides prime and wide open?

85mm was considered a "portrait" focal length (35mm film, full-frame sensors now). Wide open can mean anywhere from f/1.4 to f/2.8 for most 85mm lenses. Here's a quick list for a subject distance of 10 ft, which captures a rectangle 4'3" x 2'10".

f/1.4 DOF=4.2 in.
f/2.0 DOF=5.9 in.
f/2.8 DOF=8.4 in.

Not much to work with there. For comparison purposes:

f/8.0 DOF=2.0 ft.
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