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 03/02/2004 06:19:58 PM · #76
Originally posted by Azrifel:
They should make a versions that has no or little smell, because the smell from all those coffeeshops and people smoking everywhere is getting extremely irritating. Not only that, but a lot of people don't know their limit and cause trouble, from violence to vomiting in front of people's doors.

I know a lot of people who smoke and in the long run it does not seem to have a good influence on them. But perhaps that is because the THC levels in the Netherlands have reached the level of hard drug quality (opposed to what we like to call softdrugs) and these particular people are very heavy users. It ranges from neurotic behaviour to stupid decisions.

From Holland and I don't smoke either marihuana nor hash nor tobacco (have had it a few times in the past but I got a very bad experience with it).


Marijuana is a downer/depressant. The thing to keep in mind with marijuana besides driving, is we're just making headway with cigarettes, why legalize something that's just as readily smoked but is about 10x worse for you? One joint of regular BC weed is about as toxic as approx. 10 cigarettes. That's pretty bad for you. I was just wondering if anyone else saw the irony in that since it JUST occurred to me. [and does anyone know about affects of second hand marijuana smoke?]

Message edited by author 2004-03-02 18:21:37.
 03/02/2004 07:36:04 PM · #77
wow im glad to see this trhead w/ a lil life again.
id have to agree w/ the last few posts but id like to clear some things up.
compairing driving while high to driving while drunk is completly uneven. if anything, driving high will make you drive slower cause your paranoid. and being high dosnt affect your motor skills NEARLY as much as being drunk. i dont even think you can compair the 2 in that way.

but back to the original issue, we have gotten off course w/ this marijuana talk.

decriminalizing, not legalizing (however ive seen some good points to back legalization).

were not talking about making it possible to buy a pack of joints at 7/11. were talking about decriminalization so that those who do smoke it wont become criminals just for that fact, and we stop waisting billions on police and other task forces trying to stop/control it.

and the big one: HEMP. its like a miracle plant. from what i know, it is probably the most single usefull plant in the world. especially considering the extreme easyness to grow (does not deplete soil NEARLY as much as cotton or other similar used plants).

and i would have to agree w/ mousie:
"Criminalizing marijuana makes these people into criminals, but doesn't stop them from smoking pot. If anything, keeping pot illegal helps codify a casual disregard for laws that they don't agree with."

and for those who are belivers that god put everything on this earth for us to use.. why not marijuana?
 03/02/2004 07:46:32 PM · #78
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
The thing to keep in mind with marijuana besides driving, is we're just making headway with cigarettes, why legalize something that's just as readily smoked but is about 10x worse for you? One joint of regular BC weed is about as toxic as approx. 10 cigarettes. That's pretty bad for you. I was just wondering if anyone else saw the irony in that since it JUST occurred to me. [and does anyone know about affects of second hand marijuana smoke?]

Does anyone see the irony that we are making headway against tobacco by (finally) distributing honest information, and not by throwing cigarette smokers in jail. Even those who sell cigarettes to minors (about 20% in the last study I heard about a few days ago) face "minor" penalties. Yet we have a greater proportion of our population in prison than any of the other "industrialized" nations.

This last, it should be noted, has a far-ranging political influence. A large part of the controversy in the Florida election in 2000 was the purging of the voter rolls of people convicted of (non-violent) felonies. By writing laws such as these, we make it easy to selectively and permanently disenfranchise a large segment of the voting public.
 03/02/2004 08:02:21 PM · #79
Maybe I spoke too soon. If this link doesn't work I'll just copy the article ....
 03/02/2004 08:30:42 PM · #80
wow. talk about a man set in his ways...
 03/03/2004 06:08:42 PM · #81
Originally posted by GeneralE:
By writing laws such as these, we make it easy to selectively and permanently disenfranchise a large segment of the voting public.


Why do you think Nixon was so interested in getting those laws written? :)

- Mousie
 03/03/2004 08:32:32 PM · #82
Originally posted by Mousie:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
By writing laws such as these, we make it easy to selectively and permanently disenfranchise a large segment of the voting public.


Why do you think Nixon was so interested in getting those laws written? :)

- Mousie

To expand the pool of applicants for a presidential pardon?
 03/04/2004 03:02:10 AM · #83
I know there have been talks of marijuana-decriminalization.. But the catch was: you can have it in modest amounts - but you can't buy it. I'm not sure if you could grow it or not.. Someone enlighten me.

Something stuck me as odd about that - Just where are the marijuana vendors? Would the government control the sale of marijuana? What kind of a tax would they put on it? Would people still be inclined to grow their own? Etc. etc. I'm sure most of this was tackled some way through the post - but i'm too tired to read it all right now. someone should conveniently pull the answers to the bottom of this page.

I should add that marijuana decriminalization is a non-issue for me.. I have smoked on occaision with mixed results.. A few good experiences- but more often than not just a waste of time if you ask me. I know people who seem to become pseudo-intellectuals after enough pot smoking with their friends. They all share their little tid-bits of "DID YOU KNOW THIS" and "GEORGE WASHINGTON SMOKED THAT" and develop a cliche'd vocabulary about it. Then they feel it very necessary to dump this information on you regardless of whether or not you care.

I'm afraid I am biased against those who would support legalization of marijuana for this reason. I know I'm probably wrong in this bias.. Everyone is an individual right?

Message edited by author 2004-03-04 03:14:41.
 03/04/2004 03:16:57 AM · #84
too bad everyone was too drunk to notice an alien standing next to 'em.. they could've made a fortune selling its organs to the government.. IF ONLY ALCOHOL WERE ILLEGAL! (yes, i'm aware i'm missing the point :))
 03/04/2004 12:22:35 PM · #85
lol.. i would have offered him a drink ;)
 03/04/2004 05:43:33 PM · #86
Ah, the beautiful variety inherent in human response to the unknown, from getting drunk to vivisection, and everything in between!
03/04/2004 06:00:42 PM · #87
Originally posted by JumboJim:
I should add that marijuana decriminalization is a non-issue for me.. I have smoked on occaision with mixed results.. A few good experiences- but more often than not just a waste of time if you ask me.

Apparently your experiences did not include time in a Federal prison for exercising your right to pursue happiness ...
 03/04/2004 07:27:49 PM · #88
generalIE.. GOOOOOAAAAALL

i had a friend who spent 3 months in jail for mear posession. because it was over a certain amount they called it "intent to sell". amazing how 'they' can read minds and foresee peoples intentions.

because of that jail sentance, he lossed his well paying tech job and for the rest of his life will have to fill out job forms saying he served jail time.

ITS A GOOD THING WE GET THOSE DAMN POT HEADS OFF THE STREETS!! THEY ARE ALLMOST AS BAD AS GAYS GETTING MARRIED!!
04/23/2004 06:25:41 AM · #89
In the UK they have recently downgraded the drug to a class 'c' meaning you can't be arrested for a personal amount. This is saving police time and hassle and saving peoples lives from being tarred as being a 'drug' criminal.

I recently went to Leeds, England, where my friends took me to a bar that was open after the clubs shut, you were allowed to smoke there and the place was not stopped by the police (even though it is still illegal to do). There was about 30 people in this pub, sitting, relaxed and peaceful. Across the road, a fight was kicking off with 20 or so people drunk after the club closed. Stoned people don't fight (usually).

There are dissadvantages of legalizing cannabis but i think the advantages still out weigh these. At the end of the day, if people can smoke, less people will be so rowdy from drink, which would be a class 'a' drug if it was discovered nowdays.
 04/23/2004 08:10:16 AM · #90
Thats right biohazard, i totally agree with you. Here in the netherlands we have the same system for about 15 years,ofcourse this has caused problems and there have been and are criminals abusing this progressive laws. The main problem seems to be that one small country can never stand alone in such a system when in surrounding countries the use of cannabis is still concidered illigal. This has made Amsterdam the cannabis heaven of Europe!
It seems to me that in the last years other countries in Europe are aplying the same system in their countries, thus, killing the big criminal organisations dealing in cannabis.
btw: in the Netherlands there are about 800.000 heavy drinkers and 25 times more people get killed by the results of alcohol (ab)use then by the results of drugs.
So go on and smoke a little spliff.
yolan (non-smoker)
 04/23/2004 09:46:55 AM · #91
'eeeeeeeerrre...
 04/23/2004 09:55:34 AM · #92
Originally posted by MadMordegon:
generalIE.. GOOOOOAAAAALL

i had a friend who spent 3 months in jail for mear posession. because it was over a certain amount they called it "intent to sell". amazing how 'they' can read minds and foresee peoples intentions.

because of that jail sentance, he lossed his well paying tech job and for the rest of his life will have to fill out job forms saying he served jail time.


So, what I hear is he isn't taking responsibity for his actions. He lost his job, why? Did he know what the outcome would be if he got caught? I bet he knew but chose to have it on his possession anyway.

Doesn't make much sense what your saying.
 04/23/2004 10:00:00 AM · #93
Ban marijuana and allow Heroin.

I shoot heroin twice a day, and look at my work!...
 04/23/2004 10:04:04 AM · #94
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Ban marijuana and allow Heroin.

I shoot heroin twice a day, and look at my work!...

It's far safer and nearly as effective if you snort it instead of using needles.
 04/23/2004 10:09:08 AM · #95
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Nazgul:
Ban marijuana and allow Heroin.

I shoot heroin twice a day, and look at my work!...

It's far safer and nearly as effective if you snort it instead of using needles.


Lol i guess so but then again you dont get half the rush..plus in Iceland we have no problem getting fresh needles......

I guess you know I´m not serios about this:o
We have had these disguissions here in Iceland before and I always think its quite stupid to allow one drug and ban the next, but hey most countrys allow the most deadly shit there is ....Alcohol.....

The war on drugs will never be won for the simple reason that there is too much money involved!

I guess its a loose loose situation in many countrys.

Since we dont have Crack/Cocain and Smack to worry about it wouldnt be wise for us to legalize weed, but in the US there is a diffrent story i assume

Message edited by author 2004-04-23 10:10:45.
 04/23/2004 10:14:33 AM · #96
It's not just the risk of infection ... repeated use of even clean needles subjects the body to substantial extra stress, and can eventually cause irrepairable damage to the veins.

One of the other advantages of marijuana decriminalization is that it would then be cheap enough to use in cooking instead of smoking -- obviously smoking anything is bad for you ....

Message edited by author 2004-04-23 10:14:58.
 04/23/2004 10:52:32 AM · #97
for all those who have clouded minds due to drugs and alchol, i really hope you can understand the health risk you are going to encounter later on in life due to drug use.

Just look at Ozzy Ozbourne for a prime example of why you should NOT do them, there are many other people I could give examples of, but if your on drugs you wont listen anyway

James


04/23/2004 10:53:27 AM · #98
Originally posted by GeneralE:
A large part of the controversy in the Florida election in 2000 was the purging of the voter rolls of people convicted of (non-violent) felonies. By writing laws such as these, we make it easy to selectively and permanently disenfranchise a large segment of the voting public.

Just to clearify a bit the point GeneralE brought up-- The major issue in that controversy was not that it was illegal for convected felons to vote, but rather how the list of such persons came about. The state of Florida, under a Republican govenor and a Republican controlled legislature, hired a firm to put together a list of all convicted felons and cross check it against voter registration rolls. Names that appeared on both were flagged and poll workers were instructed to not allow them to vote. There was no check on the accuracy of the flagged names until some of them tried to vote and were denied. In most cases it was impossible for a person whose name was incorrectly on the list to appeal and be cleared in time to vote in that election. Not at all surprising were the facts that most of the voters improperly disenfranchised were registered as Democrats; and that the firm that was contracted to develope the list was connected to campaign contributions to Republicans.
 04/23/2004 11:06:49 AM · #99
Originally posted by jab119:
Just look at Ozzy Ozbourne for a prime example of why you should NOT do them, there are many other people I could give examples of, but if your on drugs you wont listen anyway

James


Ozzy also did drugs like Acid, stick9 rat poisen,
that would send any human to the grave early or make them brain dead crazy.
Give me a hit of a joint if it will cure glacoma in the eye or help me to eat and not be sick from whatever.....

04/23/2004 11:27:50 AM · #100
Using Ozzy's codition as an example against legalizing pot is absurd, and only empahsizes how little some people know about the subject. But that doesn't prevent them from having strong convictions about it.
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