expert editing - creating backgrounds

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/24/2012 03:04:09 PM · #26

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by Mark-A:
It all depends on how the picture is used I believe, if it becomes a prominent part of the picture then it could be eligible for DQ also if it misleads people in to thinking they are not looking at a picture then it's also eligible for DQ. Not fact but that's how I see it from previous DQs and discussions.

I don't think that does (or can) apply to expert.

so say i needed a city scape, i can pull a picture up on my screen and take a picture of it???

No IMO that would be a DQ'able offence.

i agree, becuase you'd be circumventing something, if you had legal source material, in expert you wouldn't need to do this.

JamesDowning

Sony SLT-A33

Sony SAL-1855 DT 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

05/24/2012 03:10:41 PM · #27

but must not be so prominent that voters are basically judging a photo of a photo

This appears to be the key... and it's really up to whatever judging jury is looking at it.

For instance:

Mike

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/24/2012 03:14:23 PM · #28

good thing we have consistency...

mrchhas

Apple iPhone 15 Pro Max

05/24/2012 03:23:06 PM · #29

How about that one where they held the light socket up to the screen with a moon on it? That got a blue no?

05/24/2012 03:26:24 PM · #30

Originally posted by mrchhas:

How about that one where they held the light socket up to the screen with a moon on it? That got a blue no?

That was scalvert's from way back - different ruleset and always brought up in these discussions.

These examples certainly defy the idea that you can't use the monitor bkg in the pic though.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:

but must not be so prominent that voters are basically judging a photo of a photo

This appears to be the key... and it's really up to whatever judging jury is looking at it.

For instance:

Message edited by author 2012-05-24 15:27:27.

05/24/2012 03:29:14 PM · #31

I think the difference is that we were talking about taking a photo of the background on the monitor and then pasting that into the scene for the entry, rather than the entry including the image on the monitor as the background.

Clear as mud now.

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

05/24/2012 03:39:16 PM · #32

What if I wanted to use the background as part of an object (ex. a billboard, a polaroid someone is holding, etc). In other words the viewer won't confuse the fake background as anything but a photo of a photo. I've got more of these examples if anyone is interested. :P

Message edited by author 2012-05-24 15:39:58.

RyanW

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

05/24/2012 03:41:56 PM · #33

Well then, just print them both out separately on photo paper, cut out the heroes image and stick it on the background you want, scan it, set it up on the screen of your monitor and snap a quick pic! Done! ;p

Seriously though, I think that what's being discussed here *IS* very different from the fireworks images. The fireworks images didn't get rendered on a computer for the purpose of having them be a background. It's definitely a grey area, but I think it's safest to avoid rendering your own background in the way proposed in the thread.

Take a blurry picture of a suitable background, layer it in behind the heroes and use it that way. :)

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 ED

05/24/2012 03:44:26 PM · #34

Originally posted by RyanWareham:

The fireworks images didn't get rendered on a computer for the purpose of having them be a background.

??? I think that's exactly what they were used for.

Originally posted by yanko:

Ya lost me.

RyanW

Nikon D7000

05/24/2012 03:57:14 PM · #35

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by RyanWareham:
The fireworks images didn't get rendered on a computer for the purpose of having them be a background.

??? I think that's exactly what they were used for.

one was on a tv. and the other i'm sure they didn't use rendering software to create a model of the fireworks to use. they may have had something on the screen, but it wasn't something they created in a rendering program.

JamesDowning

Sony SLT-A33

Sony SAL-1855 DT 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

05/24/2012 04:04:33 PM · #36

Originally posted by RyanWareham:

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by RyanWareham:
The fireworks images didn't get rendered on a computer for the purpose of having them be a background.

??? I think that's exactly what they were used for.

one was on a tv. and the other i'm sure they didn't use rendering software to create a model of the fireworks to use. they may have had something on the screen, but it wasn't something they created in a rendering program.

No, it was found through google... totally different!

Mike

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/24/2012 06:16:37 PM · #37

Originally posted by Art Roflmao:

Originally posted by RyanWareham:
The fireworks images didn't get rendered on a computer for the purpose of having them be a background.

??? I think that's exactly what they were used for.

ditto.

i don't look at these and say, "oh look someone is enjoying a celebratory beverage while looking at fireworks pictures on their computer."

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

05/24/2012 06:41:54 PM · #38

As you folks plot your work-arounds, I strongly suggest that you keep the following language, found in every version of the challenge rules, in mind ...

Originally posted by DPC Challenge Rules:

All disqualifications are determined by majority vote of the Site Council. ... Entries that violate the letter or spirit of these rules will be disqualified.