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Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/02/2012 12:17:36 PM · #27

Originally posted by bspurgeon:

Mike, if a person understands their equipment, the ruleset won't keep them from making a great image.

this is true. if i dont have the equipment i dont take the shot becuase i know it wont come out.

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

05/02/2012 12:36:28 PM · #28

Originally posted by NikonJeb:

Originally posted by jagar:
Honestly, I've never needed expert to capture what I want, not once.

Oh, shut up, John!

You'd take good shots with a freakin' Holga! LOL!!!

What's my Danish sweetheart got to do with this, she's so big and strong I'd need a wheelbarrow not a tripod :)

yanko

Carl Zeiss 50mm ZE f/1.4 Planar T for Canon

05/02/2012 12:39:37 PM · #29

If we decide to have a month long expert editing challenge scheduled each month then we shouldn't use the expert editing ruleset for any of the weekly challenges. Those should be only Minimal, Basic or Advance editing. To me this makes the most sense. Expert editing requires more time than the other rulesets so having a month makes sense, which should keep the edit freaks busy while also freeing up more challenges for the other rulesets to use.

How's that for a compromise?

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 12:40:16.

Giles

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L USM

05/02/2012 12:40:25 PM · #30

I love how the naysayers or those promoting no expert love a bit of hdr merge or sharpening

So a little bit of photoshopping is ok but not enough that ps skills show through

sjhuls

Canon EOS-7D

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

05/02/2012 12:44:03 PM · #31

Originally posted by larryslights:

Originally posted by hahn23:
Okay, as long as more expert edit challenges don't squeeze out (reduce) the photography oriented challenges.

Agreed. This is a photography website.

While I agree that I don't want DPchallenge to turn into a digital art site, I think it is wrong to call an expert editing challenge a non photography challenge. There are many photographic compositions that are very photographic in nature that require expert editing to achieve. I'm not a fan of lumping all digital art into the same category.

That said I really don't want this to ever replace a free study. But having a expert editing free study in which you can use any images taken during the span of that month would be a great idea in my book. I think having 1 about every 3 or 4 months, in addition to the regular free study, would be an excellent idea.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

05/02/2012 12:44:47 PM · #32

Originally posted by jagar:

Advanced FS seems to be middle ground.

I have made my attempts at entering expert editing challenges and will admit that I learned a few things. Now.... I'd really like to see the graphic arts crowd enter more minimal challenges.
Maybe we could compromise?

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

05/02/2012 12:51:12 PM · #33

I haven't checked the stats, but it's my impression that we've had more Expert Editing challenges in the past four months than in the previous four years ...

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

05/02/2012 12:52:51 PM · #34

Originally posted by GeneralE:

I haven't checked the stats, but it's my impression that we've had more Expert Editing challenges in the past four months than in the previous four years ...

I don't have to check the stats, all I have to do is look at the front page.

JonoTucker

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

05/02/2012 01:11:01 PM · #35

I like the idea

OverflowStudios

05/02/2012 01:17:13 PM · #36

Since I agree Advanced editing is the perfect "sweet spot", it certainly deserves to keep it's own exclusive, monthly free study. However if each month had a 2 week Expert and a 2 week Basic/Minimal challenge I think that would work perfectly alongside it.

I tend to always be excited when an Expert challenge is announced, but not be able to enter, unless we're having a slow week. On the other hand I've also never entered a basic/minimal challenge, as it doesn't seem like there have been many to choose from.

If the first 2 weeks of each month is an Expert challenge and the last 2 weeks is basic/minimal, I can say I would be able to be a lot more active.

Mark-A

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

05/02/2012 01:26:23 PM · #37

Originally posted by yanko:

Yanko! This was EXACTLY what I was putting forward - to me it makes perfect sense as it gives everyone what they want without compromise, the non Expert people get ALL their challenges back and those that want to play can enter and have time to do the best they can with the ruleset.

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

05/02/2012 01:30:57 PM · #38

Originally posted by Mark-A:

Originally posted by yanko:
If we decide to have a month long expert editing challenge scheduled each month then we shouldn't use the expert editing ruleset for any of the weekly challenges. Those should be only Minimal, Basic or Advance editing. To me this makes the most sense. Expert editing requires more time than the other rulesets so having a month makes sense, which should keep the edit freaks busy while also freeing up more challenges for the other rulesets to use.

How's that for a compromise?

Yanko! This was EXACTLY what I was putting forward - to me it makes perfect sense as it gives everyone what they want without compromise, the non Expert people get ALL their challenges back and those that want to play can enter and have time to do the best they can with the ruleset.

This sounds like a good compromise.

Mike

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

05/02/2012 01:35:23 PM · #39

Originally posted by OverflowStudios:

However if each month had a 2 week Expert and a 2 week Basic/Minimal challenge I think that would work perfectly alongside it.

or every other month...

we could make it an either/or type of entry. i think two weeks is perfect for basic since thats how long it will take me to keep re-shooting before i realize i need to shoot in jpg.

tanguera

Nikon D750

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

05/02/2012 02:09:38 PM · #40

To all expert editing haters out there, just to put things in perspective, if all you did to an image is clone out anything larger than a lemon - that's "expert".

Brent_S

Canon EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II

05/02/2012 02:14:44 PM · #41

It seems to me both the Expert and the Minimal (if you care about nailing a good shot) Rule Sets require a lot of extra hours to do well. So maybe a nice mix would be two Expert and two Minimal challenges each month with them running two weeks in duration?

Then with the above we could go to all Advanced rule set for the weekly challenges?

* I don't mention Basic because in my view it is an outdated ruleset. Some say it levels the playing field for beginners and if it truly did anymore I would be all for it. I think the truth is these days that a leg up in the basic challenges requires special knowledge about processing in a way that caters to that specific ruleset- so beginners just get hosed. There are plenty of free instructional videos and choices in free software available now that did not exist when the Basic rule set was written that can quickly get anyone up to speed with Advanced rules. Yet there are no instructional videos available to beginners on the special workarounds to make images look good despite the Basic rules processing restrictions. Basic just throws the beginners to the wolves with no easy way to get help in this day and age. And the Basic galleries don't look any less effected by processing that the Advanced ones do now either- probably more cooked really...

Message edited by author 2012-05-02 14:20:18.

Art Roflmao

Canon EOS-6D Mark II

05/02/2012 03:41:54 PM · #42

Originally posted by tanguera:

To all expert editing haters out there, just to put things in perspective, if all you did to an image is clone out anything larger than a lemon - that's "expert".

An optimist would paste in lemonade rather than clone out lemons. :P

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

05/02/2012 05:27:48 PM · #43

I do think the expert challenges, for the most part, should still have a theme, not be just a free study. Just a thought.

Mark-A