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04/14/2012 02:22:52 PM · #1 |
| Since there is a prominent button on 5D for picture styles I wonder if they are needed at all if you only shoot RAW? I thought if I set it up to Neutral I can then ignore them and do all adjustments in PP. Am I right or wrong? |
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04/14/2012 02:54:40 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Since there is a prominent button on 5D for picture styles I wonder if they are needed at all if you only shoot RAW? I thought if I set it up to Neutral I can then ignore them and do all adjustments in PP. Am I right or wrong? |
You are correct Margaret in that the Picture Styles have no bearing on RAW files.
However, you might want to tweak these styles a bit if you do any jpeg only "Minimal" editing challenges. You could also make a decision on whether you want the camera to write all jpegs in the "Adobe RGB" or "sRGB" (default?) color space. I set mine to Adobe RGB just in case I would need that extra headroom for processing jpegs, but never shoot them outside of minimal challenges anyway...
Message edited by author 2012-04-14 14:55:14. |
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04/14/2012 03:06:59 PM · #3 |
IN addition to what Brent posted, if you happen to use DPP for processing your RAWs, it will understand the picture style set in the camera, and apply settings to reproduce it. So if you like a particular style you can use it as a starting point during RAW processing.
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04/14/2012 03:25:56 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
IN addition to what Brent posted, if you happen to use DPP for processing your RAWs, it will understand the picture style set in the camera, and apply settings to reproduce it. So if you like a particular style you can use it as a starting point during RAW processing. |
Fritz beat me to it, and he's absolutely correct. If you use DPP as I often like to do to a least start my processing it will recognize the camera settings even for RAW files. Even if you don't want to use DPP for any extensive processing you can at least open the RAW file with the camera settings applied and immediately transfer it to Photoshop to continue processing. I find that it gives a crisper and less muddied look to my photo over LR or ACR because the settings are generically reset to an arbitrary one size fits all starting point. The file you get is what your camera saw, plus your intended camera settings such as sharpness, exposure, camera profile, contrast etc. What I tend to do is open the file in DPP, possible make minor adjustments to the exposure and white balance if needed, perhaps open up the shadows slightly and then I export that to both a 16 bit uncompressed Tiff file and a jpeg. Then I bring that photo into Photoshop or Lightroom where the quality is still there in the 16 bit Tiff file and it looks better then what I would have started with using ACR or LR. DPP will also apply the appropriate amount of noise reduction if needed that would have been applied to the jpeg in camera.
One other huge benefit is that if you use the Canon Picture Style Editor that also comes with the camera to make your own profiles you can load those to your camera in one of the user defined settings and DPP will also see those as well.
The Canon software has come a huge way in recent years and since it's works natively with their cameras you usually get better quality to start with.
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04/14/2012 03:34:48 PM · #5 |
Good stuff to know Fritz and Dave!
I'm in the habit of going straight to LR4 with my RAW files. But I might give the workflow you describe a go once in a while Dave to see if it brings a little "clarity" to the process. I know with earlier versions of LR I used it for convenience for all images but went to DPP if I wanted something extra special out of a capture. The conversions improved with subsequent versions of LR so I quit bothering with DPP, but I'd be curious as to whether I could still eek out a little finer quality on certain images using DPP as a starting point... |
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04/14/2012 05:19:00 PM · #6 |
| Thanks! I read a few years ago that the sharpener in DPP was superior of any other software. Is this still true? |
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04/14/2012 06:14:05 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Thanks! I read a few years ago that the sharpener in DPP was superior of any other software. Is this still true? |
In my opinion yes...it is. It makes sense though because it's taking native Canon RAW file data from a Canon sensor. So it knows best how to manipulate it. In the latest version or two of DPP Canon revamped and tweaked their sharpening methods even more giving you the option to use their normal sharpening as well as Unsharp Mask by using a drop down menu. That's on the RAW file tab. There is also additional sharpening on the RGB tab which can also be used to effect the sharpness of a RAW file, but it's primarily there for non RAW files such as jpeg.
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04/14/2012 06:24:53 PM · #8 |
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04/14/2012 06:35:41 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Thanks, Dave! |
You're very welcome. :)
Dave |
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04/14/2012 08:07:09 PM · #10 |
I use Canon DPP as well. It's capable without being overkill. It's also very fast at reviewing the RAW files. When I tried Lightroom out, I was disappointed at how long it took to display each image when reviewing. DPP is fast enough that there is usually no delay at all when going from image to image.
The only thing I wish they would add is the ability to send directly to a 3rd party image editor other than Photoshop. I just have to save a JPG or TIF now, then load it up into PSP.
Message edited by author 2012-04-14 20:07:24.
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