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04/12/2012 10:06:22 AM · #1 |
now that i have my flashes. im looking for some cheap umbrella and stands to fool around with. nothing special.
also do i want shoot through or reflective umbrellas to start? or both? |
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04/12/2012 10:35:46 AM · #2 |
Plain white umbrellas can be used either way, cheap ones can be had off of ebay to get you started, also cheap gold and silver reflective ones if you want to play about a bit more before deciding which type you prefer to buy more expensive versions of..
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04/12/2012 10:55:08 AM · #3 |
I bought a couple of these umbrella reflector soft boxes. They perform like a shoot through but with less light loss/scatter.
I also devised a bracket to better center my flash units.
DIY Horizontal Flash Bracket
As for light stands, I have these 7.5' high light stands from Steve Kaiser and they are very well made.
All you need to add after that are some tilt-able umbrella brackets like this one from Adorama.
Tim
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04/12/2012 01:32:54 PM · #4 |
| You have kids? Just tell them to hold the thing while you shoot. If they can follow directions, it can be like having voice controlled light stands. |
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04/12/2012 02:13:10 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Spork99: You have kids? Just tell them to hold the thing while you shoot. If they can follow directions, it can be like having voice controlled light stands. |
WTF, he said *cheap* stands... there's nothing cheap about kids! ;-)
ETA: I apologize that I have nothing whatever constructive to the discussion!
Message edited by author 2012-04-12 14:13:54.
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04/12/2012 02:36:14 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by Spork99: You have kids? Just tell them to hold the thing while you shoot. If they can follow directions, it can be like having voice controlled light stands. |
you know, i actually did think about that, and the more I though about it the more i decided i needed actual stands. |
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04/12/2012 04:24:05 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Spork99: You have kids? Just tell them to hold the thing while you shoot. If they can follow directions, it can be like having voice controlled light stands. |
Correction... If you have kids you need sandbags to stabilize your light stands :) |
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04/12/2012 09:55:43 PM · #8 |
These work pretty well and are reasonable umbrella/hotshoe mounts.
I put them on these light stands, which are pretty cheap, reasonably strong, and highly portable. MAKE SURE YOU CRANK DOWN THE LOCKS THAT EXTEND THEM THOUGH. They feel tight before they really are, IMO. I also have a stronger Manfrotto that isn't as compact, but they discontinued that model, so I'm not in a good position to suggest something else. I think it was about $60 though.
These umbrellas are reasonable, compact, and work for most things. Wouldn't use them for large groups, you'll need a bigger umbrella. They're sorta flimsy, but most/all umbrellas are. Mine have taken a few tumbles in wind/shaky ground and they're still kickin' fine. They can be used as a shoot through or a reflected, plus you can partially detach the cover and use them like that, as well. Careful locking down the shafts in the mounts- they crimp easily.
If you want bigger, consider a Softlighter. |
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04/13/2012 06:28:59 AM · #9 |
thanks guys. i was looking into buying an kit, but i think i may just get one and piece it together.
i really need to learn better lighting so baby steps. |
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04/13/2012 08:35:54 AM · #10 |
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04/13/2012 08:41:09 AM · #11 |
i did see that.
im just questioning whether i want to build decent single stand or go chap and get two. Do i need to umbrellas or will one mainly be enough?
i just want it for simple portrait/still life photography. |
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04/13/2012 10:43:52 AM · #12 |
eventually,
You will want atleast two. If you decide to go with just the one, I suggest (for future proofing) get something that can extend out as a boom.
If you decide to go with two, you can double up your second for clamshell setups or go with that hair/rim light in the back via something a bit more directed than the umbrella - personally i think umbrella is very usable in specific conditions.
even lighting of small groups from left and right can be achieved with two .
you can attach a clamp or two to your one lightstand to hold up reflectors as well.
If you get just the one, i think good placement a hefty camera bag can double as a sandbag in the begining. I use a bag of rice...not sure if its bad but it doesn't smell bad and i paid like 4 bucks for it -.- |
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04/13/2012 12:15:02 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by mike_311: i did see that.
im just questioning whether i want to build decent single stand or go chap and get two. Do i need to umbrellas or will one mainly be enough?
i just want it for simple portrait/still life photography. |
I hate umbrellas for still lifes because the light isn't diffused enough and those pesky octagonal highlights. I much prefer a softbox, but maybe that's a holdover from my product shooting days. |
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04/13/2012 04:37:20 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by mike_311: i did see that.
im just questioning whether i want to build decent single stand or go chap and get two. Do i need to umbrellas or will one mainly be enough?
i just want it for simple portrait/still life photography. |
I only have two light stands and I always feel like I need at least one more. I seldom need more then one umbrella, and never more than two. But the stands are great for holding bounce cards or a just a speedlight with a grid on it to highlight something.
I think my next investment will probably be a boom stand. Getting light directly over anything is difficult bordering on impossible with a normal light stand. |
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04/23/2012 10:18:01 AM · #15 |
i stopped at the local shop on Friday. i picked up a cheap stand and umbrella bracket and the guy there talked me into a bounce flash umbrella as opposed to a shoot through.
tried it over the weekend.
i love it.
i dont know why i wasted so much time and effort in the past fooling around with cheap lighting. the pictures had pop, they were crisp and the light was just plain beautiful.
i still need a ton of practice but this is going to be fun. My "For Dallas" entry came out just as i envisioned it. First time that ever happened.
Message edited by author 2012-04-23 11:52:54. |
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04/23/2012 11:18:10 AM · #16 |
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying the lighting.
I'll be picking up something similar, but not in time for the challenge.
[jealous] I just came up with my concept for the Dallas challenge today, I hope i can pull off what i'm thinking... and honestly a lighting stand like that would help a LOT for my thoughts. :) [/jealous]
Message edited by author 2012-04-23 11:18:19. |
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