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 04/11/2012 04:28:57 PM · #76
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
It is, and at no point did I say we should have the average be reported either.

CS

It is a great way to identify trolls.
 04/11/2012 04:33:32 PM · #77
So If I used opposite ends of the voting scale only I would look like an average voter by the avg cast, but having the breakdown would identify my voting pattern.

Just a suggestion, I think it would be quite interesting.
 04/11/2012 04:34:17 PM · #78
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04/11/2012 04:38:33 PM · #79
Originally posted by posthumous:
oh yeah, new ribbon hog in the house:


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You're not selling out to mass appeal now, are you? Perhaps you've finally succeeded in changing what the collective likes and we'll starting seeing wine glasses and water drops browning out soon.
 04/11/2012 04:38:54 PM · #80
Seem to be lots of lower scores being reported, I really enjoyed voting and felt the majority of images were of an above average standard :)

Stats: You have rated 115 of 115 images (100%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 6.0000
04/11/2012 04:43:45 PM · #81
Originally posted by Jon_H:
So If I used opposite ends of the voting scale only I would look like an average voter by the avg cast, but having the breakdown would identify my voting pattern.

Just a suggestion, I think it would be quite interesting.

I'll agree with you that we could determine what kind of voter someone is, but if someone only voted using 1 and 10, it's perfectly valid. You may not agree with their methodology, but there is a legitimate reason for doing so, and it's only one of many methods to vote.

Originally posted by MargeretN:
It is a great way to identify trolls.

As per your definition. Is a troll someone who doesn't vote to your expected average? I'm looking for your definition of troll in as precise terms as possible.

CS

Message edited by author 2012-04-11 16:46:23.
 04/11/2012 04:45:51 PM · #82
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by MargeretN:
It is a great way to identify trolls.

As per your definition. Is a troll someone who doesn't vote to your expected average? Merely throwing out the word troll without a proper definition leaves me confused when discussing voting averages. I'm simply looking for your definition of troll in as precise terms as possible.

CS

:)
 04/11/2012 04:47:29 PM · #83
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by MargeretN:
It is a great way to identify trolls.

As per your definition. Is a troll someone who doesn't vote to your expected average? Merely throwing out the word troll without a proper definition leaves me confused when discussing voting averages. I'm simply looking for your definition of troll in as precise terms as possible.

CS

:)

Well that was enlightening. Thanks for joining the discussion.

CS
 04/11/2012 04:47:57 PM · #84
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 04/11/2012 05:00:11 PM · #85
Troll = someone who has no other intention but to provoke users into a reaction.
On this site the biggest reaction you will get is v low votes. I understand what one persons trash is another's gold but seriously how many images out of 100 on this site would merit a 1?
DNMC yeah maybe but I don't see out of focus complete cock ups being entered.

The forums are a separate argument for trolls but they lurk in the shadows here too.
 04/11/2012 05:20:46 PM · #86
Originally posted by Jon_H:
Troll = someone who has no other intention but to provoke users into a reaction.
On this site the biggest reaction you will get is v low votes. I understand what one persons trash is another's gold but seriously how many images out of 100 on this site would merit a 1?
DNMC yeah maybe but I don't see out of focus complete cock ups being entered.

The forums are a separate argument for trolls but they lurk in the shadows here too.

I'm only biting because I dislike that people think just because someone gives out 1s, or low votes for that matter, is a troll. I've outlined how I tend to vote earlier this morning in this thread.

I'm not looking for any kind of reaction, but I do find it old hat how in every scoring thread, it's always:
I don't have the score I want, damn trolls.
I really thought my image was an 8+, but reality is setting in and it's a 5.3.
[Insert whatever here] voters are the worst.
.......
When I see comments like the above, I'm always inclined to introduce a reality check that people can vote how they see fit and it may differ from other's opinions.

You asked about the how many images merit a vote of 1. I'll give you my take on the challenges still present on the front page.
Corners - 10
Double Take - 3
Free Study - 11
Close Your Eyes - 2
If you look at how I vote in the other thread, every challenge is going to have at least one. Someone has to have the worst image relative to the others in any given challenge. This isn't being a troll, it's simply a fact; someone needs to be on the bottom rung and someone on the top.

CS

Message edited by author 2012-04-11 18:45:52.
 04/11/2012 05:36:07 PM · #87
After a good start at 6.0 after 8 votes my score dropped to 5.4 and now has recovered nicely again to 6.2544 but heck.....not one single comment at all
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Message edited by author 2012-04-11 17:36:29.
 04/11/2012 05:37:04 PM · #88
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:

I don't have the score I want, damn trolls.


This is rare... it's usually when people are tracking theirs votes and get a 1 that they cry about trolls -- and with good reason.

Yes someone COULD vote 1s and 10s as a dichotomy for HATE IT - LOVE IT, but I doubt there are many that do when the whole scale is there for their use.

It won't be solved here, the die is cast. We have a 10 point scale and people are free to use it anyway they see fit. You're right on that score (no pun intended). The "norm" however is to use the whole scale with the extremes of high and low being used far less than the middle values.

But since there is no standard for voting, the averages are meaningless here. We almost need a Rotten Tomatoes style of standardizing the scoring... This photo got 73% good votes instead of a 5.6789.
 04/11/2012 05:42:07 PM · #89
I cant argue with your voting pattern which is fair but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.

I tend to vote 4-10 with only dnmc or truly poor shots attracting the 1-3 range.

Still can't believe my shot hasn't reached an 8 yet, it's genius :-|
 04/11/2012 05:54:15 PM · #90
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I'm trusting the trolls to stay hidden under their bridges whilst I sleep, I will be gutted if I finish on a 4 something.
 04/11/2012 05:58:51 PM · #91
Spoke to soon :-(
04/11/2012 06:03:34 PM · #92
Originally posted by Jon_H:
...but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.


It could have nothing to do with voters, but the submitters. Remember it's free to enter an open challenge, so someone that's beginning in photography and hasn't yet picked up the skills is much more likely to enter. Reference the leap day challenge.

Message edited by author 2012-04-11 18:03:50.
 04/11/2012 06:24:32 PM · #93
HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA



revenge is good...

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best way to redeem myself from last two STINKING VOTING }-\
 04/11/2012 06:56:13 PM · #94
Originally posted by Jon_H:
I cant argue with your voting pattern which is fair but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.

I tend to vote 4-10 with only dnmc or truly poor shots attracting the 1-3 range.

I tend to vote 1-7 with the truly outstanding, genius, or extremely creative shots attracting the 8-10. At the end of the day, I'm sure our voting patterns aren't so different even though our averages are off.

Originally posted by klkitichens:
This is rare... it's usually when people are tracking theirs votes and get a 1 that they cry about trolls -- and with good reason.

This is where I disagree. One is perfectly valid just like a ten. If a person gets a one, they should wonder where they went wrong. Conversely, if they get a ten, they should also wonder what about their photo kicks so much ass, yet we never hear this. It's pretty pompous to simply accept a ten like you deserved it from the onset yet some openly decry the low voters.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
...but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.


It could have nothing to do with voters, but the submitters. Remember it's free to enter an open challenge, so someone that's beginning in photography and hasn't yet picked up the skills is much more likely to enter. Reference the leap day challenge.

Well put and completely agree.

CS
 04/11/2012 07:20:13 PM · #95
Originally posted by posthumous:
oh yeah, new ribbon hog in the house:


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Don't want to give you a big head now!

But I'm beating you :)
 04/11/2012 08:11:57 PM · #96
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
I cant argue with your voting pattern which is fair but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.

I tend to vote 4-10 with only dnmc or truly poor shots attracting the 1-3 range.

I tend to vote 1-7 with the truly outstanding, genius, or extremely creative shots attracting the 8-10. At the end of the day, I'm sure our voting patterns aren't so different even though our averages are off.

Originally posted by klkitichens:
This is rare... it's usually when people are tracking theirs votes and get a 1 that they cry about trolls -- and with good reason.

This is where I disagree. One is perfectly valid just like a ten. If a person gets a one, they should wonder where they went wrong. Conversely, if they get a ten, they should also wonder what about their photo kicks so much ass, yet we never hear this. It's pretty pompous to simply accept a ten like you deserved it from the onset yet some openly decry the low voters.

Originally posted by JamesDowning:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
...but it is strange how the open challenges attract lower votes consistently.


It could have nothing to do with voters, but the submitters. Remember it's free to enter an open challenge, so someone that's beginning in photography and hasn't yet picked up the skills is much more likely to enter. Reference the leap day challenge.

Well put and completely agree.

CS


Nice selective editing of my comment.

Regardless 10s are far more rare than 1s.
04/11/2012 09:42:16 PM · #97
Slow and steady climb...

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Updated: 04/11/12 09:40 pm
 04/12/2012 12:58:51 AM · #98
You have rated 10 of 114 images (9%) in this challenge.
You have commented on 4 images (3%) in this challenge.
You have given an average score of 7.7000.

Going to vote the rest from the next few days.
 04/12/2012 01:06:12 AM · #99
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Won't ribbon though....well but then again.....naaaaa who am I kidding!
 04/12/2012 01:59:09 AM · #100
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Updated: 04/12/12 01:10 am

I will be in first 10, that's for sure ;)

but one comment? :o\
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