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03/26/2012 04:14:47 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...::dainty snore:: |
+100
Never understood these threads. If you don't like it, don't go there.
*rejoins snorefest* |
+200 millionbillionzillion |
Thanks, Juliette.
I believe at the moment that 1x has lowered their standards to attract more paying members. You could also argue that their bias is based on personal preferences of the curators and hence the inconsistency as their personal preferences vary.
I am yet to understand why there is such importance given to 1x at DPC. Is it inertia from good old days? As I said at the start I think that some very average shots have been selected recently. I can give examples if anyone cared to continue the discussion on an adult level. |
Wait, is this cus you can not get accepted at 1X, is that what all your other threads about 1X have been about?? Why do you keep on harping on about 1X, is this like a personal vendeta against them?? |
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03/26/2012 04:26:17 PM · #27 |
Margaret, clearly you have a Fatal Attraction for 1x.
Boiling the bunny and endlessly fascinating over the bleached bones serves no healthy purpose.
Please...let the Bunny...
R. I. P.
Thank you.
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03/26/2012 04:50:08 PM · #28 |
does sound like sour grapes, imho the standard on 1x is a lot higher than the average you see here, i enjoy scrolling through 1x more so than a challange here, i got accepted on my 1st try and had my second turned down, not tried again yet should actually give it another go. but not got enough time in my life to dedicate to 2 websites hehe
i enjoy the community and the challenge here and learning but 1x is good for looking at some amazing photos laid out really well
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03/26/2012 05:20:52 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I am yet to understand why there is such importance given to 1x at DPC. Is it inertia from good old days? |
No, I don't think so. Just an interest in photographs - no question that the overall quality of image at 1x is higher than here. But they are selective so of course that would be th case.
Of course there is inconsistency; it is purely subjective in its criteria. I have seen shifts in what gets published, but perhaps that is just the currents and tides of (any) art.
In terms of my submissions, they really only publish my nude work. I've submitted about 10 times as much other stuff but other than a few odd others, only my nudes make it.
I shoot nudes much more than I would if they accepted my other stuff. |
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03/26/2012 05:52:41 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
I am yet to understand why there is such importance given to 1x at DPC. Is it inertia from good old days? |
No, I don't think so. Just an interest in photographs - no question that the overall quality of image at 1x is higher than here. But they are selective so of course that would be th case.
Of course there is inconsistency; it is purely subjective in its criteria. I have seen shifts in what gets published, but perhaps that is just the currents and tides of (any) art.
In terms of my submissions, they really only publish my nude work. I've submitted about 10 times as much other stuff but other than a few odd others, only my nudes make it.
I shoot nudes much more than I would if they accepted my other stuff. |
Thanks, Paul, for getting away from personal attacks.
Message edited by author 2012-03-26 23:24:47. |
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03/26/2012 06:05:44 PM · #31 |
LOL, that was sooooooooo not a personal attack , sweetie. That was a genuine, honest to goodness question. I want to know your reasoning behind all this. You started this thread with questions wanting to know answers, I asked you a question, that is all.
I would like to know,
1. Why you think they reject your shots
2. Why you think your picture is better than someone else's, if it is similar.
3. How you think it could be structured differently
4. How you think the the 'winning' shots should be voted out
So, dearie, get over your own personal gripe of everyone ''attacking you'' and answer a few questions yourself instead of ignoring them all the time. |
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03/26/2012 06:18:16 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by JulietNN:
LOL, that was sooooooooo not a personal attack , sweetie. That was a genuine, honest to goodness question. I want to know your reasoning behind all this. You started this thread with questions wanting to know answers, I asked you a question, that is all.
I would like to know,
1. Why you think they reject your shots
2. Why you think your picture is better than someone else's, if it is similar.
3. How you think it could be structured differently
4. How you think the the 'winning' shots should be voted out
So, dearie, get over your own personal gripe of everyone ''attacking you'' and answer a few questions yourself instead of ignoring them all the time. |
Thank you for your "friendly" attack.
Message edited by author 2012-03-27 06:46:27. |
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03/26/2012 07:17:53 PM · #33 |
| btw 1x has been very consistent with me... All rejects lol. Going for number 9 now. |
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03/26/2012 08:13:27 PM · #34 |
| Anyway on a happier note, I find I keep going to 1x more and more for inspiration. |
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03/26/2012 08:21:47 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Anyway on a happier note, I find I keep going to 1x more and more for inspiration. |
I used to go to this post for inspiration...
There are many buried talents encourage me.
Some really good stuff there :)
Message edited by author 2012-03-26 20:24:07. |
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03/26/2012 08:35:36 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Neat:
Anyway on a happier note, I find I keep going to 1x more and more for inspiration. |
I used to go to this post for inspiration...
There are many buried talents encourage me.
Some really good stuff there :) |
Yes wow, Mark Tucker he's good.
There are so many wonderful photographers out there, truly.
Margaret I would encourage you to start taking more portraits or street photography, instead of landscapes, I feel you might be more successful then. A photo of a person conveys more depth than any landscape shot, unless your landscape shot has a single person in it ....IMHO.
Message edited by author 2012-03-26 20:36:57. |
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03/26/2012 08:53:13 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by FocusPoint:
Originally posted by Neat:
Anyway on a happier note, I find I keep going to 1x more and more for inspiration. |
I used to go to this post for inspiration...
There are many buried talents encourage me.
Some really good stuff there :) |
Yes wow, Mark Tucker he's good.
There are so many wonderful photographers out there, truly.
Margaret I would encourage you to start taking more portraits or street photography, instead of landscapes, I feel you might be more successful then. A photo of a person conveys more depth than any landscape shot, unless your landscape shot, and a single person in it ....IMHO. |
I can only do what I like doing. Thanks for the suggestion. I don't have a problem with my photography and direction I am taking. I like luminous landscapes. There are quite a few photographers that inspire me. I don't need 1x with the endless repetition of similar photos to be a sole source of inspiration.
I believe also that 1x is losing its way as their business has low income, high cost structure. I am not sure how they are going to survive long term (other than using volunteer labor). The latest newsletter mentions partnership with Fotomoto. To me that means 1x has been unable to market their own printing business. And that means lower profits. I also suspect that membership is their main income. BUT if they continue to be very restrictive with what they publish they will lose membership base. BUT then if they compromise and start publishing lower quality photos in order to keep membership numbers they will lose credibility. It is a Catch 22 situation.
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03/26/2012 10:03:55 PM · #38 |
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03/27/2012 03:01:53 AM · #39 |
Margaret, You are out of line. Juliet may have been a little condescending in her post, but you are well beyond that and have delved into personal attacks. Keep it up, and you posts will not only be hidden, but you may face a short vacation from the forums. This is not open to debate, nor rebuttal. Listen well or face the consequences of your overreactions.
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by JulietNN:
LOL, that was sooooooooo not a personal attack , sweetie. That was a genuine, honest to goodness question. I want to know your reasoning behind all this. You started this thread with questions wanting to know answers, I asked you a question, that is all.
I would like to know,
1. Why you think they reject your shots
2. Why you think your picture is better than someone else's, if it is similar.
3. How you think it could be structured differently
4. How you think the the 'winning' shots should be voted out
So, dearie, get over your own personal gripe of everyone ''attacking you'' and answer a few questions yourself instead of ignoring them all the time. |
Thank you for your "friendly" attack. If I remember well you only ever had your surfers photos accepted and NOTHING else. How does that make you feel? Any soul searching on your part? Or you don't care about 1x?
PS Just checked it, there are also a couple of underwater shots. See: //1x.com/artist/101783 |
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03/27/2012 06:42:28 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by frisca:
Margaret, You are out of line. Juliet may have been a little condescending in her post, but you are well beyond that and have delved into personal attacks. Keep it up, and you posts will not only be hidden, but you may face a short vacation from the forums. This is not open to debate, nor rebuttal. Listen well or face the consequences of your overreactions. |
A most unfair comment. I was not the first with a childish mocking personal attack. Please read the below thread carefully. From Hohosilver and Julietnn:
"Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...::dainty snore::"
"Margaret, clearly you have a Fatal Attraction for 1x.
Boiling the bunny and endlessly fascinating over the bleached bones serves no healthy purpose.
Please...let the Bunny...
R. I. P."
"LOL, that was sooooooooo not a personal attack , sweetie. "
"So, dearie"
Clearly written to insult and to provoke.
Thank you.
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03/27/2012 08:33:27 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Clearly written to insult and to provoke.
Thank you. |
If you read the forum rules, you'll find that the correct response to what you believe to be a violation (baiting, insulting, etc.) is to use the Report Post link, and to NOT respond yourself in the thread. Engaging in tit-for-tat insults makes the forums less hospitable for everyone, perhaps especially for those who want to read the comments about the pictures and not those about other participants.
Message edited by author 2012-03-27 08:33:45. |
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03/28/2012 11:58:02 AM · #42 |
I guess the bunny analogy was a little too...ummmm...DIRECT to highlight an underlying feeling that this thread did not offer a genuine invitation to discuss images. But, rather appeared to me as yet another thinly veiled and ill-disguised invitation to a 1x Pity Party for the OP. If the all consuming and relentless pursuit of the sublime provides a healthy chemistry and connection for the OP of this thread, then all I will say is what I should have said in the beginning...a neutral and genuine...
"Good Luck!"
To encourage a more healthy discussion of the images as suggested by  GeneralE, I will add that I genuinely loved  JulietNN's surfer images and her processing skills overall remain resoundingly IMPRESSIVE on 1x, DPC, or wherever else she presents her work. Her work translates well into any photo site of her choice which should be a lesson for us all and generates the question in my mind...
When does the work of "acceptance" on any photo site replace the more important work of creating the image itself?
1x is just another place to present that work...no more and no less.
My last two cents...
-Mae
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03/28/2012 05:43:01 PM · #43 |
1x IS JUST ANOTHER PHOTO SHARING WEB SITE. Well said, Mae.
500px.com is SO MUCH BETTER!!! Come and join us there! It is a much better designed Web site, with an app for Ipad and a plugin for Lightroom 4 which make viewing and submitting a breeze! The rating system is as good as the human assessors. In fact better - there is less of subjective bias. 500px is very fast, flexible, and there are many exceptional photographs and photographers there like DPC's own Alex Saberi. Plenty of sublime to share and enjoy! :)
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03/28/2012 06:16:54 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
In fact better - there is less of subjective bias. 500px is very fast, flexible, and there are many exceptional photographs and photographers there like DPC's own Alex Saberi. Plenty of sublime to share and enjoy! :) |
Mostly correct. :) It's loaded with subjective bias. In fact, the entire premise is based on subjective likes and dislikes. This is based, in part, on the popularity of the photographer. More followers and friends, resulting in more views during the first few hours after you post, leading to a high number of "likes/votes" creating a higher score, leading to a spot in the popular category, which means more views, and on, and on, it goes. So, the turn over on the front page, in general, is ultimately based on popularity. It is the life blood of the algorithm that generates the score. So, just like every other photo sharing site, the top is not always cream.
As an example:
over vanity
6007 Views 601 Votes 307 Favorites Uploaded 16 hours ago. Ha! What a dull image, although she has a great pair of legs!
With that said, I've enjoyed 500px, although I only stop by once a week or so. I like the big thumbnails, and the categories/galleries are easy to navigate in a way that the majority of unappealing images are not shown. I like how the flow concept is based on photographs I am more likely to enjoy given that they are folks I'm following. |
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03/28/2012 06:21:03 PM · #45 |
Thanks, Ben. You just snatched it before my post was removed.
PS There was nothing in my post that justified removal. It looks as rather hasty SC action without explanation.
Message edited by author 2012-03-28 19:23:32. |
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03/28/2012 07:49:08 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
As an example:
over vanity
6007 Views 601 Votes 307 Favorites Uploaded 16 hours ago. Ha! What a dull image, although she has a great pair of legs! |
Yeah legs can be popular, even the kind made out of synthetic polymers... |
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03/29/2012 01:58:29 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Thanks, Ben. You just snatched it before my post was removed.
PS There was nothing in my post that justified removal. It looks as rather hasty SC action without explanation. |
BUMP
My post was reported as SPAM for 500px. Did it look that way to those who managed to read it before it was taken off by  Frisca? Does this make any sense at all?? |
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03/29/2012 01:59:42 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by bspurgeon:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
In fact better - there is less of subjective bias. 500px is very fast, flexible, and there are many exceptional photographs and photographers there like DPC's own Alex Saberi. Plenty of sublime to share and enjoy! :) |
Mostly correct. :) It's loaded with subjective bias. In fact, the entire premise is based on subjective likes and dislikes. This is based, in part, on the popularity of the photographer. More followers and friends, resulting in more views during the first few hours after you post, leading to a high number of "likes/votes" creating a higher score, leading to a spot in the popular category, which means more views, and on, and on, it goes. So, the turn over on the front page, in general, is ultimately based on popularity. It is the life blood of the algorithm that generates the score. So, just like every other photo sharing site, the top is not always cream.
As an example:
over vanity
6007 Views 601 Votes 307 Favorites Uploaded 16 hours ago. Ha! What a dull image, although she has a great pair of legs!
With that said, I've enjoyed 500px, although I only stop by once a week or so. I like the big thumbnails, and the categories/galleries are easy to navigate in a way that the majority of unappealing images are not shown. I like how the flow concept is based on photographs I am more likely to enjoy given that they are folks I'm following. |
Ben, you have read my post - did it read to you as SPAM for 500px ??? |
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03/29/2012 03:20:39 AM · #49 |
i read it, im a now a member at both and it was very biased and not very fair indeed and this isnt a personal attack before that starts up again you need to moderate your tone a bit, just because they havent accepted you doesnt mean you can libel them on a public forum, maybe if you had been accepted you would not feel so much vitriol towards the site.
its like me going on 500, 1x, flickr and saying dont go on dpc as its shocking,crap, biased etc etc etc because my photo didnt win the challenge
im just finding my way rd 500, i dont tweet and it seem its a bit like that with followers etc, and to be fair i detest the online photo competition that are all about geting all your friends and aunt's second cousins twice removed dog to vote for you, i prefer to get shredded here by my "peers" :) |
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03/29/2012 04:20:43 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
i read it, im a now a member at both and it was very biased and not very fair indeed and this isnt a personal attack before that starts up again you need to moderate your tone a bit, just because they havent accepted you doesnt mean you can libel them on a public forum, maybe if you had been accepted you would not feel so much vitriol towards the site.
its like me going on 500, 1x, flickr and saying dont go on dpc as its shocking,crap, biased etc etc etc because my photo didnt win the challenge
im just finding my way rd 500, i dont tweet and it seem its a bit like that with followers etc, and to be fair i detest the online photo competition that are all about geting all your friends and aunt's second cousins twice removed dog to vote for you, i prefer to get shredded here by my "peers" :) |
How true that is, I still haven't found a site that is as fare as DPC. Winning the fairest way possible by this voting system DPC uses, even though we winge and moan about the outcome, the most popular photo wins. Plus I look at DPC as a very inexpensive photography class, an on-going workshop, which has taught me so much.
Margaret give it up! Your reputation is more important than whether your photo gets accepted into a certain site.
Message edited by author 2012-03-29 04:29:55. |
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