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 03/23/2012 07:10:46 PM · #51
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by hahn23:
I thought that was why the voting rule exists.


Im not sure what rules you are referencing ....

Voting Rules
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"You may not discuss any entry in the forums while voting is in progress."...

It's great to discuss challenges before the voting begins. And, after the challenge ends, discuss away. But, during voting, telling voters to change their voting behavior is against the voting rules. If this kind of lobbying is allowed, (It has been tolerated by the SC, recently) it opens up a Pandora's Box of even more intensive lobbying during the voting phase. It does affect votes!!!! Participants just need to stay silent and avoid trying to sway votes. Let the voters vote and make up their own minds. Let's stop the pandering.

Message edited by author 2012-03-23 19:11:13.
 03/23/2012 07:32:16 PM · #52
Do you interpret "You may not discuss any entry in the forums while voting is in progress." to cover the very topic of the challenge? I heartily endorse the ban on discussing "any entry" that is a single individual entry, however it never occurred to me that this could be expanded to the challenge as a topic and all entries an aggregate. Interesting viewpoint. I will post a note to the SC,and seek clarification of that rule. Richard you and I have both been on the site for quite a few years, but we seem to have been operating under different understandings of the rule here.

Where you see pandering for votes, I see trying to beat back the DNMC crowd and expanding what might be acceptable in a one word challenge that has no description. And let me restate, my entry is well within the borders of DNMC, expanding voters range of what is acceptable will not benefit my entry, except in the way it benefits us all as makers of images.
 03/23/2012 07:43:48 PM · #53
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Do you interpret "You may not discuss any entry in the forums while voting is in progress." to cover the very topic of the challenge? I heartily endorse the ban on discussing "any entry" that is a single individual entry, however it never occurred to me that this could be expanded to the challenge as a topic and all entries an aggregate. ...

People are going beyond discussing the topic of the challenge. In response to adverse early votes, some are loudly suggesting their subset of image types/subjects is being unfairly discriminated against. That may be the case. But, the court of public opinion should be the voting process, not unduly contaminated by coded lobby words in the forum.
 03/23/2012 07:53:33 PM · #54
I will await the ruling of the SC on this matter before we continue our discussion. Time to make some comments on the fine images in this challenge.
 03/23/2012 10:18:13 PM · #55
I have no problem with Margaret's statement. I've made similar statements in the past when I've had absolutely nothing to gain from it.

Seriously, people. It's no big deal. Do you honestly think that someone is going to say "oh!!! That's right!!! It could mean ...." and go move up the votes on all those images?

That's only going to happen if someone really didn't realize that other meanings were valid options.

I honestly don't care if I have an traditional or out of the box image in a challenge -- I would much rather have an educated, open-minded voting audience. I'm not afraid of the competition. So I have no problem with people reminding people to look a little deeper before voting something down.
 03/23/2012 10:33:55 PM · #56
Not an isolated incident.
 03/23/2012 10:41:06 PM · #57
Originally posted by vawendy:
Do you honestly think that someone is going to say "oh!!! That's right!!! It could mean ...." and go move up the votes on all those images?


I can imagine that scenario taking place, but I think the contention was that those people will say "oh!!! That's right!!! It could mean ...." and then go LOWER the votes on images that were always though of as being in the challenge before they were pandered to and expanded their definitions of the challenge, which just seems like a very odd notion.
 03/23/2012 10:54:31 PM · #58
This is spoiling all the fun of a score thread.
 03/23/2012 10:54:31 PM · #59
Originally posted by vawendy:
I have no problem with Margaret's statement. I've made similar statements in the past when I've had absolutely nothing to gain from it.

Seriously, people. It's no big deal. Do you honestly think that someone is going to say "oh!!! That's right!!! It could mean ...." and go move up the votes on all those images?

That's only going to happen if someone really didn't realize that other meanings were valid options.

I honestly don't care if I have an traditional or out of the box image in a challenge -- I would much rather have an educated, open-minded voting audience. I'm not afraid of the competition. So I have no problem with people reminding people to look a little deeper before voting something down.

Why say anything at all? Post your score and move on.
The only possible explanation would be to try and persuade votes in a certain direction. You may not be afraid of the competition, but the action of some others signifies something otherwise. If this thread is suppose to be about scores, why not leave it as such?

Also, people don't always give low votes because they took a shallow look at the photo. Maybe it simply doesn't resonate with the voter. They don't like the idea. They think it's technically flawed. It's overdone. Who knows? By making statements like Margaret has done only serves one purpose. To show disdain with her score and to affect voting. Saying otherwise is simply being disingenuous. Prove to me otherwise and I'll sway sides on this issue.

CS
 03/23/2012 11:01:50 PM · #60
Please do not call out individual members for criticism. Even if you are only trying to make a point more clearly, it can take on shades of a personal attack. Calling out individuals for praise is always welcome.

Julianne is right on this, it has hijacked this thread and ought to be discussed in another thread.
Returning now to our regular programming

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Updated: 03/23/12 11:00 pm

Message edited by author 2012-03-23 23:19:44.
 03/24/2012 03:04:19 AM · #61
Listen all of you...stop fighting or I will go and troll all of your images!!!!
 03/24/2012 04:31:57 AM · #62
Originally posted by Judi:
Listen all of you...stop fighting or I will go and troll all of your images!!!!

I'm sitting at 3.8 right now after 38 votes, empty threat. At this stage I might as well start eyeing the brown.

CS
 03/24/2012 08:21:10 AM · #63
Keys
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 03/25/2012 11:29:05 AM · #64
The SC have discussed this previously when it's happened on another thread.

There are a number of things that can be said here (and often is) that can influence votes. This includes the obvious interpretation of the topic statements, and evaluative statements about a subclass of the photos (whether positive or negative).

We think its best if people do not make comments about the photos in general, or interpretations of the theme, during the voting phase.

Thanking someone for their comment may also be inappropriate given that you may in some cases be giving away the identity of your photo, "I just got a great comment from you!"

We have not decided definitively how to act/judge these cases (for example, personally the original problem post here to keep an open mind does not seem very harmful), but in the future, we may remove posts we feel are off the scoring topic.

Message edited by author 2012-03-25 11:29:47.
 03/25/2012 12:22:03 PM · #65
Originally posted by Neil:
The SC have discussed this previously when it's happened on another thread.

There are a number of things that can be said here (and often is) that can influence votes. This includes the obvious interpretation of the topic statements, and evaluative statements about a subclass of the photos (whether positive or negative).

We think its best if people do not make comments about the photos in general, or interpretations of the theme, during the voting phase.

Thanking someone for their comment may also be inappropriate given that you may in some cases be giving away the identity of your photo, "I just got a great comment from you!"

We have not decided definitively how to act/judge these cases (for example, personally the original problem post here to keep an open mind does not seem very harmful), but in the future, we may remove posts we feel are off the scoring topic.


Thanks for the input Neil. I don't know if it would help to add this to the rules as "suggestions" for commenting, but it couldn't hurt. :-)
 03/25/2012 12:38:49 PM · #66
Originally posted by Neil:
The SC have discussed this previously when it's happened on another thread.

There are a number of things that can be said here (and often is) that can influence votes. This includes the obvious interpretation of the topic statements, and evaluative statements about a subclass of the photos (whether positive or negative).

We think its best if people do not make comments about the photos in general, or interpretations of the theme, during the voting phase.

Thanking someone for their comment may also be inappropriate given that you may in some cases be giving away the identity of your photo, "I just got a great comment from you!"

We have not decided definitively how to act/judge these cases (for example, personally the original problem post here to keep an open mind does not seem very harmful), but in the future, we may remove posts we feel are off the scoring topic.

Thanks for supporting open mind. I will avoid participating in challenges in future where such issues could arise. The reaction of some posters has been well over the top. Especially that there was no description in this challenge and no prior discussion of the possible interpretations.

PS With the narrow interpretation this is a VERY boring challenge! (as pointed out in another thread)

Message edited by author 2012-03-25 12:48:00.
 03/25/2012 02:33:20 PM · #67
let's fix the problem en toto.... FREE STUDIES 3 TIMES A WEEK AND ONE EACH MONTH!!!!

jk

-m
 03/25/2012 02:51:40 PM · #68
Is it just me, or are Sunday voters the worst?
 03/25/2012 02:57:32 PM · #69
Originally posted by larryslights:
Is it just me, or are Sunday voters the worst?


It's not Sunday voters, it's the day of rollover voters. True of every challenge.
 03/25/2012 03:08:11 PM · #70
No. It really does seem to be sunday voters. Many times saturday is harsh, as well. I would have thought people would be happy on the weekends! :)
 03/25/2012 03:15:29 PM · #71
Originally posted by vawendy:
No. It really does seem to be sunday voters. Many times saturday is harsh, as well. I would have thought people would be happy on the weekends! :)

Really? Hangovers normally make me grumpy.

CS
 03/25/2012 03:37:07 PM · #72
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by larryslights:
Is it just me, or are Sunday voters the worst?


It's not Sunday voters, it's the day of rollover voters. True of every challenge.


This challenge isn't rolling over.

BTW - did you ever get your $40 Photoshop? I hesitated and lost.

Message edited by author 2012-03-25 15:37:58.
 03/25/2012 03:46:20 PM · #73
Originally posted by larryslights:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by larryslights:
Is it just me, or are Sunday voters the worst?


It's not Sunday voters, it's the day of rollover voters. True of every challenge.


This challenge isn't rolling over.

BTW - did you ever get your $40 Photoshop? I hesitated and lost.


Yes, I got it. And I'm so happy I didn't wait. ;D
 03/25/2012 03:53:32 PM · #74
Originally posted by vawendy:
No. It really does seem to be sunday voters. Many times saturday is harsh, as well. I would have thought people would be happy on the weekends! :)


A few years ago it used to be the weekend voters were the ones who voted well- then it flipped. The weekend voters now seem to be A) the most tough critics, B) Harsh, C) Downright Mean-spirited, or D) all of the above.

03/25/2012 05:05:19 PM · #75
Originally posted by CNovack:
Originally posted by vawendy:
No. It really does seem to be sunday voters. Many times saturday is harsh, as well. I would have thought people would be happy on the weekends! :)


A few years ago it used to be the weekend voters were the ones who voted well- then it flipped. The weekend voters now seem to be A) the most tough critics, B) Harsh, C) Downright Mean-spirited, or D) all of the above.

I think they are crabby because they don't have something better to do with their weekend. Maybe they don't have fun because they are so critical. ;)

My score has dropped .1 over the weekend, from 6+ to 'tiny violin' territory.

Message edited by author 2012-03-25 17:07:30.
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