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			|  | 03/12/2012 02:10:06 PM · #26 | 
		| | The other thing that having a contract does is it shows people is that you're serious about your work. You may not be a professional in that photography may not be your main source of income, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't act professional when it comes to your work. | 
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			|  | 03/12/2012 02:27:39 PM · #27 | 
		| | I would just like to point out (being pedantic and all) that this isn't actually a catch 22 situation. 
 A catch 22 situation would be something like, you can't take the shot until you see the finished poster, and she can't provide the finished poster until you take the shot.
 
 Carry on.
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			|  | 03/12/2012 02:58:52 PM · #28 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Spork99: The other thing that having a contract does is it shows people is that you're serious about your work. You may not be a professional in that photography may not be your main source of income, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't act professional when it comes to your work.
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 What he said. You really need to be using something. What I do is have a section covering the licensing limitations and when I go over the contract with the client I make sure they understand the things they can and can not do with their purchased license. That said, there are times when you can't protect your image, stock photography being the most obvious example, but if you're going to have your name next to the photo then you'll definitely want to go the extra mile to protect it.
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			|  | 03/12/2012 03:51:16 PM · #29 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Covert_Oddity: I would just like to point out (being pedantic and all) that this isn't actually a catch 22 situation.
 
 A catch 22 situation would be something like, you can't take the shot until you see the finished poster, and she can't provide the finished poster until you take the shot.
 
 Carry on.
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 No, the shots were taken this past summer at a horseshow at this particular barn.  The b/w poster I did in about 1 hrs time this morning is one of the two shots that they, the host barn for that show, wants to use.
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			|  | 03/12/2012 03:59:28 PM · #30 | 
		| | OK, now we're getting somewhere.  Up top is the email I sent her after seeing how the poster would look.  Her response is below.  Thank gawd she seems to see reason and happy to let me have a crack at doing the posters!  I have not yet replied, have to figure out what to charge and write up a quickie boilerplate contract to send. 
 Hey Judy
 
 I have the images sized to 8x10 jpgs and ready to go, but was wondering if you would consider letting me use my desktop publishing skills and do the layout of the posters for you.  Something along the lines of what I did with my business card, a greyscale bleed of the image and then lettering over top of it.  I put together my business card in approximately 10 minutes in PS CS5; I could probably do the layout for the posters within a reasonable time span.  Again, I could also provide smaller 4x5s.
 
 However, if you still want to do the posters yourself, then I absolutely insist on a no-distortion/no-tampering clause, regardless of the size of the images supplied.  If the posters are going to be displayed in stores, offices etc where they will be seen by the horse community, then I do not feel that I am being unreasonable in expecting my work to be displayed to full advantage.  My name is on those images; I have a reputation to protect.
 
 Furthermore, how much are you planning to pay me for use of my images?
 
 bye for now
 
 Susan
 
 
 Here is her reply:
 
 Hi Susan,
 
 I can really appreciate where you're coming from.  I also appreciate your offer to do the posters.  I'm sure your skills are superior to mine -- I use WP Presentations.  WP is actually a desktop publishing suite rather than word processor like MS Office and very versatile.  It's taken me quite some time to get things sorted out to Joanna's satisfaction but she likes the ones I do.  Essentially, we need copies of the 2 photos to use in 10-12 posters.
 What would you normally charge for 10 copies of a photo?  I have no problem with your no-distortion/tampering rule.  You have already cropped your photos so I won't have to.  You will also be getting exposure in the local tack shops: Apple, Horse World, Greenhawk as well as several feed shops.
 Please let us know.
 Judy
 
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			|  | 03/12/2012 04:20:03 PM · #31 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Covert_Oddity: I would just like to point out (being pedantic and all) that this isn't actually a catch 22 situation.
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 Gak! I've been yanko'd!
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			|  | 03/12/2012 04:23:59 PM · #32 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Art Roflmao: 
 | Originally posted by Covert_Oddity: I would just like to point out (being pedantic and all) that this isn't actually a catch 22 situation.
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 Gak! I've been yanko'd!
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 LOL!  Now as to the matter at hand...I currently charge $20 for an 8x10.  Thinking of just multiplying that by the number needed.  Still will find a contract and make it suit my needs.
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			|  | 03/12/2012 06:31:10 PM · #33 | 
		| | | Originally posted by Art Roflmao: 
 | Originally posted by Covert_Oddity: I would just like to point out (being pedantic and all) that this isn't actually a catch 22 situation.
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 Gak! I've been yanko'd!
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 LOL, didn't read all the way through before I posted :)
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