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02/25/2012 08:20:41 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by SDW:
Originally posted by Neil:
No, they're still here:
Check out  LalliSig's Best Of 2011 winner and the low scores. Come on, three 1's?
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I know people have diverse voting styles but I would love for someone to explain to me how this photograph deserved anything less than a five. |
I gave it a 4 because it's meaningless. From the title, I guess it means "free"ness, but how free can she be if she has to hold onto her boobs? |
Freedom to be as modest as she likes, haha? I would typically agree with you, post, because I empathize with your opinions on the relationship between an image which invokes a feeling and what makes a good image. I still wouldn't give this a 4, in any circumstance. It's beautiful photography. I think most would appreciate it.
Maybe that's my amateur eye, but I think there are plenty of professionals who would agree, and to deny that it is art altogether is a pretty grave thing to say, but you haven't clearly said that, so I won't hold you to it.
Just my two cents. I'm as green as they come.
Message edited by author 2012-02-25 20:21:01. |
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02/25/2012 09:02:25 PM · #27 |
Ten Criteria to be classified a Troll
1. Re-adjust the votes downwards as their own entry fails to perform.
2. Wait until the late stages just before 'closing time' then score as per (1) above.
3. Use his/her own happy-snappy as criteria against which all other, especially those better than his/hers, are scored.
4. Has a vote and use it based on no criteria, no merit and no sense (almost like a political vote).
5. Has a vote and a grudge and a scale from 1 to 10.
6. Has a vote and an opinion based on, well, nothing of substance accept for a scale of 1 to 10.
7. Has arrogance and ignorance on a scale from 1 to 10.
8. Has a vote and a 1 on the scale; so why not use it 'against', make it a weapon, not a tool.
9. Someone we will always have among us; they will always be lurking somewhere in their own dark senseless revenge seeking ravaged minds. The illogical, self centered, ignorant assholes who has nothing to learn and less to give.
10. Someone who should not be given a brown paper bag when voting, but a tight fitting plastic bag ;-)
I know there are at least 3 looking at the Best Image of 2011 result. BTW, congratulations Lallisig, it is a stunning image.
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02/25/2012 09:24:12 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by SDW:
Originally posted by Neil:
No, they're still here:
Check out LalliSig's Best Of 2011 winner and the low scores. Come on, three 1's?
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I know people have diverse voting styles but I would love for someone to explain to me how this photograph deserved anything less than a five. |
I gave it a (generous) 7, but I think it's perfectly understandable how someone working off a different voting scale could give it say, a 4. The image has been processed to a point that it no longer looks like a photograph but a painting and while a 'pretty picture', it just doesn't speak to me at all (as I'm sure it didn't to many others). It feels meaningless. Now I'm not saying the photograph is meaningless, perhaps to other voters or the photographer it means a lot, but this is the point of having so many people vote on each image - no image means the same to everyone that looks at it, everyone has different, equally valid views, which is why this site doesn't just use a panel voting system. |
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02/25/2012 09:34:59 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by SDW:
Originally posted by Neil:
No, they're still here:
Check out LalliSig's Best Of 2011 winner and the low scores. Come on, three 1's?
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I know people have diverse voting styles but I would love for someone to explain to me how this photograph deserved anything less than a five. |
I gave it a 3 and I explained why in a comment on the photograph.
I know my explanatory comment will have no effect on the people who complain about low voters, in fact it's clear that nobody complaining in this thread has even read my comment.
But I don't believe you anyway. You don't want an explanation at all. You want to be indignant and self-righteous. You want to burn the witch at the stake. If you were honest you'd say that your real definition of a troll is anyone who votes low that you disagree with.
I don't care at all that you vote low on my pictures or on other people's pictures that I like. In fact I embrace it. It's diversity, and it's healthy. I don't have to share your point of view to value your opinion.
But it seems that it doesn't work in reverse. It's a question of conform or be damned, isnt it? Well that is pitiful. In fact it is actually disgraceful. You have no place in an artistic community if your mind is that far shut.
Message edited by author 2012-02-25 21:37:49. |
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02/25/2012 09:43:48 PM · #30 |
This is an old topic. Voting and who does what why and etc etc until we're all bleeding from the ears & eyes and our fingers are stumpy and our keyboards are broken.
All of us use the same scale: 1-10. Arguing with that is arguing with reality.
"Here is what I think about you and troll voting." should be a sticky in the forums.
In the meantime, let's talk about something we can all enjoy...ME! :-D
My only ribbon (so far), and no votes below 5.
Message edited by author 2012-02-25 21:45:02. |
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02/25/2012 09:57:43 PM · #31 |
Sorry guys, I haven't been voting recently. I'll get back to low votes soon.
:)
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02/25/2012 09:57:56 PM · #32 |
I'm new to the site, only voted in one challenge so far. I can vote in the footwear challenge, but since I'm in it, won't. I can't be objective seeing my score, so will refrain from being one of those members.
That being said, there's a good chance I will always give a one, a couple twos, and many threes in every challenge. My breakdown for voting is the following, and it probably won't change regardless of the arguments anyone gives.
1 - I take a look at all the photos in the challenge and determine what is my baseline for a 5 vote.
2 - Every photo from there gets assigned a value from that baseline. So I will give out 2's, 3's, 4's, 5's, 6's and 7's quite readily.
3 - After I've given the photo its assigned value, I check to see if it meets my interpretation of the challenge. If it does not, a 1 or 2 point deduction will than occur. Photos may get bumps based on how creative they were with the interpretation. For the letter challenge, my highest score went to the winner with a vote of eight. Were there better photos, yes, but for the following the challenge, this was pure genius. Therefore it elicited the highest score.
If I give out a ten, it implies that any price could be put on the piece, and I wouldn't bat an eye purchasing it for my house. This honour will rarely be given out. As long as a person votes consistently, regardless of the numbers they dole out, it's fair. It seems some members are too anal (worried, concerned) about the actual number rather than simply enjoying the challenge and where they place. Numbers are meaningless without context.
Following this criteria, as long as I remain a staple member here, I will give out many low scores. This does not imply I'm trolling.
I became a member because for the last two years, I've only shot track and field; one venue, all the time. I'm trying to break out of that shell and learn how to do other aspect of photography. The challenges here provide a venue to break down boundaries I would never try, or if I don't submit anything, even think about. Anything which looks remotely staged, chances are I'm not a fan. Photoshop to hell, probably a low score. Does it mean I'm trolling, not in the least. I think people need to differentiate between a troll and general dislike. Personally, I don't like a lot of gyaban photos. Does it mean I'm wrong? No. Does it mean his photos are no good? No. All it simply means is there's a disconnect between what he does amazingly well and what I'm looking for in a photo. Will I take points away from his photos while voting, yes. It's like Lincoln said, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time." That's all it comes down to.
CS
Message edited by author 2012-02-25 22:04:07. |
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02/25/2012 10:52:38 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by SwordandScales:
Maybe that's my amateur eye, but I think there are plenty of professionals who would agree, and to deny that it is art altogether is a pretty grave thing to say, but you haven't clearly said that, so I won't hold you to it. |
I did give it 4 points, after all. I didn't have to give it that many. |
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02/25/2012 11:04:35 PM · #34 |
Send not to know for whom the vote trolls.
It trolls for thee. |
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02/25/2012 11:13:13 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I gave it a 7... and I really do not need to account to anyone as to the reasons why.
Ray |
we really need a sarcastic font... |
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02/25/2012 11:16:58 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I gave it a 7... and I really do not need to account to anyone as to the reasons why.
Ray |
we really need a sarcastic font... |
yes that would be nice
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02/25/2012 11:20:25 PM · #37 |
| i didn't vote, i just rolled my eyes |
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02/25/2012 11:36:32 PM · #38 |
My eyes didn't even role.
Sometimes it is tough to recognize some traits that drive the unique you.
Sometimes the shoe fits.
And yes, I have a vote I do not have to explain. Power of 1 I do not care to give.
It is all about ME! I have the vote, the power and the scale. I am not even judging, questioning myself, why should I?
I have no word to say or feel to feel. I am but me.
I do not vote where I play, happy me. And when I do vote, my baseline is a 6, NOT a substandard, under average 5. |
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02/25/2012 11:41:41 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
i didn't vote, i just rolled my eyes |
I did vote but still rolled my eyes. My vote was 4, I thought it was much too "manufactured" (done for the effect, very skillfully I will add). Unfortunately this style of photography is very popular at DPC and gets high votes. I don't know if it reflects high proportion of newbies or I just have a different taste. To me this is the biggest problem with DPC. |
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02/26/2012 12:12:34 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by skewsme:
i didn't vote, i just rolled my eyes |
I did vote but still rolled my eyes. My vote was 4, I thought it was much too "manufactured" (done for the effect, very skillfully I will add). Unfortunately this style of photography is very popular at DPC and gets high votes. I don't know if it reflects high proportion of newbies or I just have a different taste. To me this is the biggest problem with DPC. |
There are few "pretty images" that stir the waters more than the rest of the "pretty pictures". We have to understand the reason for it. Is it because this one incorporated more of the generally favored subjects by large audiences in search of therapeutic imagery: pretty woman, blond, in perfectly decent semi nude, landscape, seascape, clouds, waves, an air of freedom ...
The problem is not only at DPC.
Since we calculated the scores, mine was 4, for effort.
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02/26/2012 01:07:08 AM · #41 |
Lots of views expressed with passion (or sometimes just incoherence). Not that it makes much difference because the same demands that low votes must be explained will continue forever. Some matter is simply too dense to be penetrated by anything.
I'd like to commend to the serial troll-bashers the admirable attitude of RayEthier. Ray shares your artistic sensibilities; he makes no secret of it. But despite that, he's not of your kind.
Ray and I could hardly be further apart in all things bar one, and it's the one that excuses everything else that he's wrong about :) ... as strongly as Ray always expresses his own opinions, he does not ever demand that everyone else must share them. Can't beat that! |
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02/26/2012 01:46:15 AM · #42 |
| I gave it s 5 and I spent maybe 5 seconds looking at it, I imidiatly felt like I'd seen it a hundred times before. Beautifully processed but exstremly boring and meaningless content. |
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02/26/2012 01:51:12 AM · #43 |
 This image had just one vote below 5 and it was a 4.
But really what makes a troll? Their vote or the fact that they vote and are moved differently by an image then you. |
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02/26/2012 09:05:57 AM · #44 |
we are on the internet and anyone can feel anything they want about an image. my comment earlier should have had a smiley, i wasn't trying to say how could anyone score it less than ten, just that I found it a striking image, its something I know i will never be able to produce so when i see such high quality it resonates with me.
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02/26/2012 09:42:52 AM · #45 |
| People don't vote on the actual pictures here anymore. They vote based on what they think the image should do for them, how it should be composed, how it should make them feel. They vote against some imaginary standard set up in their head instead of what is there in front of them on their screen. |
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02/26/2012 09:58:04 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
... I can vote in the footwear challenge, but since I'm in it, won't. I can't be objective seeing my score... |
I see this assertion from quite a few people. Myopia and arrogance mask a lack of self confidence. It's the mindset of the rank amateur. |
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02/26/2012 10:01:51 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
Originally posted by SDW:
Originally posted by Neil:
No, they're still here:
Check out LalliSig's Best Of 2011 winner and the low scores. Come on, three 1's?
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I know people have diverse voting styles but I would love for someone to explain to me how this photograph deserved anything less than a five. |
I gave it a (generous) 7, but I think it's perfectly understandable how someone working off a different voting scale could give it say, a 4. The image has been processed to a point that it no longer looks like a photograph but a painting and while a 'pretty picture', it just doesn't speak to me at all (as I'm sure it didn't to many others). It feels meaningless. Now I'm not saying the photograph is meaningless, perhaps to other voters or the photographer it means a lot, but this is the point of having so many people vote on each image - no image means the same to everyone that looks at it, everyone has different, equally valid views, which is why this site doesn't just use a panel voting system. |
Iceland is famous (among artists) for its light. I think this photograph maybe catches some of that, as well as using artificial light (something else that Iceland is famous for around here) and may not be all that heavily processed at all. The textiles work well,and the model is pretty, to put it mildly. The pose is horrendously contrived, enough to make me say the picture would be better as a landscape without the model, but that's subjective. |
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02/26/2012 10:29:20 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
... I can vote in the footwear challenge, but since I'm in it, won't. I can't be objective seeing my score... |
I see this assertion from quite a few people. Myopia and arrogance mask a lack of self confidence. It's the mindset of the rank amateur. |
I can be completely objective. So I voted. But then again, I'm used to being competitive without being biased.
I do respect that people who KNOW they can't be objective, don't vote. At least they aren't the one's low balling people.
As for others, the one's who purposely vote down people trying to improve their score... what a shame they aren't more mature.
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02/26/2012 10:47:00 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by ubique:
Lots of views expressed with passion (or sometimes just incoherence). Not that it makes much difference because the same demands that low votes must be explained will continue forever. Some matter is simply too dense to be penetrated by anything.
I'd like to commend to the serial troll-bashers the admirable attitude of RayEthier. Ray shares your artistic sensibilities; he makes no secret of it. But despite that, he's not of your kind.
Ray and I could hardly be further apart in all things bar one, and it's the one that excuses everything else that he's wrong about :) ... as strongly as Ray always expresses his own opinions, he does not ever demand that everyone else must share them. Can't beat that! |
I just now read this and it almost brought a tear to my eyes...OK, I will admit that is a bit over the top.
It is indeed comforting to know that some people like ( ubique realize that we can disagree on certain thing without pointing an accusing finger. Some might find him harsh, opinionated and critical, but from my perspective I truly admire the fact that he freely expresses his views and offers no apologies for his beliefs. He is most assuredly not a follower.
As far as being wrong, I thought I was wrong once... but I was mistaken. :O)
Ray |
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02/26/2012 11:50:22 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
... I can vote in the footwear challenge, but since I'm in it, won't. I can't be objective seeing my score... |
I see this assertion from quite a few people. Myopia and arrogance mask a lack of self confidence. It's the mindset of the rank amateur. |
I'm confused. I don't see anywhere where I've been myopic or I've thrown an air of arrogance in my tenure here. If you want to denigrate me because you don't like me, fine, but at least pick on things which I've expressed explicitly rather than make shit up.
I choose not to vote because on average I give out low votes. I think my score is high for my photo, so if I were to vote, since I can't vote on my photo, essentially I'd be lowering everyone's score, effectively bumping mine up. This is unfair. It has nothing to do with myopia, arrogance, or amateurism. It's simply being honest and having a basic understanding of math and the flaws of this system.
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