Validation - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/23/2012 08:44:00 AM · #1

So I was wondering about validation. Since I'm new to the challenges and all, and I have read some information regarding validation here on the forums, but I'm still a little fuzzy on all the details.

The top images after voting has ended require validation, correct?

However, images can be required to submit validation prior to this, which is usually due to someone believing that some editing rule (or something else) may be illegal, right?

And when one has to submit their original entry, it has to be as the image was recorded directly from the camera. But what if you are shooting in both RAW and JPEG? Do you send the RAW file, or the JPEG? Or does it even matter?

I just want to be sure of all of this.

And, do people usually have to send in proof early in the voting stage? I saw there was something about sending in proof if you are going to be away from your computer (as a precautionary measure, I assume).

Thanks for the input. It is much appreciated. :)

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

02/23/2012 08:49:58 AM · #2

Always send the RAW file if you have one. No need to send both. The top 5 always require validation. The rest is pretty random.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

02/23/2012 08:53:32 AM · #3

Originally posted by dyridings:

However, images can be required to submit validation prior to this, which is usually due to someone believing that some editing rule (or something else) may be illegal, right?

Correct. There is a checkbox under every challenge entry that can be clicked when voting. A dialog will then come up asking why you believe the entry may violate challenge rules. SC will then send a validation request to the member.

Originally posted by dyridings:

And when one has to submit their original entry, it has to be as the image was recorded directly from the camera. But what if you are shooting in both RAW and JPEG? Do you send the RAW file, or the JPEG? Or does it even matter?

Send the one you used as your original. If you edited from the RAW file, send that. If the JPG was your starting point, then send it.

Originally posted by dyridings:

And, do people usually have to send in proof early in the voting stage? I saw there was something about sending in proof if you are going to be away from your computer (as a precautionary measure, I assume).

I have had one case where I should have done that. I went on vacation and didn't think that my entry that was pulling in the high 6's could ribbon. I didn't submit it in advance, nor did I have the RAW file with me. Fortunately, I was able to walk a friend through finding it on my computer and uploading it. Some people may submit in advance if they think others might question the legality of the shot.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

02/23/2012 08:56:15 AM · #4

In every challenge, the top 5 placings are required to submit original files (straight from the camera) along with a list of processing steps taken to arrive at final image. 48 hours is allowed, but the sooner the better because 48 hour deadline is hard and fast. If one or more of the top 5 are DQd, then images moving into the top 5 spots are then required to submit file(s) and steps for validation.

Other images in any challenge may be selected for validation. Reports of suspected rules violations from members and users are taken into consideration, but an image won't be required to be validated unless at least a few Site Council members agree there may be an issue. In other words, challenge submissions are never randomly selected for validation review. And, a report of suspected rules violation does not automatically trigger a validation request.

The file to submit for validation has to be an unaltered file directly from the camera. Copy from the storage card directly to your computer storage without an intervening processing software changing the file. RAW or JPG are okay, as long as they are the same as files written by the camera, as opposed to a processing software converted JPG.

If I'm going to be away from my computer at the end of the voting phase, I'll submit original(s) and processing steps before I leave home.

Submitting a validation file and steps does not guarantee any kind of response from the SC.

Sometimes, a completed validation during the voting phase will be accompanied by a message below the image (still in voting) that "This image has been validated." Only sometimes.

Message edited by author 2012-02-23 09:02:46.

02/23/2012 09:02:54 AM · #5

Thanks guys! I appreciate the help from you guys. Just want to make sure I completely understand the process. Perhaps I should have posted this before I entered a challenge; though it doesn't really matter when it was asked, I suppose. :)

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

02/23/2012 09:08:15 AM · #6

Another question, after reviewing the rules of basic editing:

It is stated that you may

saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed

When it states no selections are allowed, you can still choose to select the yellow hue (or red, or green, or blue, etc) and increase or decrease saturation, correct? Because it would be a global change, affecting ALL of the yellow hue (or red, or green, or blue, etc).

Just want to clarify.

Because now I am wondering if something I did was legal, or illegal.

Kelli

Canon EOS-D60

02/23/2012 09:17:18 AM · #7

Originally posted by dyridings:

Yes, it's fine. By selection they mean selecting something on the picture itself, not selecting something out of the menu.

Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro

02/23/2012 09:20:01 AM · #8

Originally posted by Kelli:

Originally posted by dyridings:
Another question, after reviewing the rules of basic editing:

It is stated that you may

saturate, desaturate or change the colors of your entry, but no selections are allowed

When it states no selections are allowed, you can still choose to select the yellow hue (or red, or green, or blue, etc) and increase or decrease saturation, correct? Because it would be a global change, affecting ALL of the yellow hue (or red, or green, or blue, etc).

Just want to clarify.

Because now I am wondering if something I did was legal, or illegal.

Yes, it's fine. By selection they mean selecting something on the picture itself, not selecting something out of the menu.

That's what I originally thought, just wanted to clarify.

Spork99

OM System OM-1

02/23/2012 09:57:52 AM · #9

Validation

You are great! Enjoy.

Mike

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

Tamron SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD Canon Mount

02/23/2012 10:53:58 AM · #10

Best of 2011, still in voting:

Submissions: 405
Votes Cast: 91,895
Comments Made: 6,920
Participants: 491
Disqualifications: 5

it can happen at any time.

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

02/29/2012 02:22:33 PM · #11

Another question about validations... I know they say it usually takes 48 hours to be validated, but it could take longer. My question is that once your image is validated, do you receive a PM or an email or something?

And... if you have a request for validation, does it ALWAYS get validated? Like has there ever been a time when there was a validation request but they didn't validate?

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

02/29/2012 02:27:54 PM · #12

Originally posted by dyridings:

Yes, you should always recieve an email stating that the image was either validated or DQd, assuming that we'd already requested you to provide your original & editing steps.

Originally posted by dyridings:

And... if you have a request for validation, does it ALWAYS get validated? Like has there ever been a time when there was a validation request but they didn't validate?

Validations can take a long time, especially if there's something the SC are discussing about an image, but we always decide one way or the other.

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

02/29/2012 02:29:37 PM · #13

Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by dyridings:
Another question about validations... I know they say it usually takes 48 hours to be validated, but it could take longer. My question is that once your image is validated, do you receive a PM or an email or something?

Yes, you should always recieve an email stating that the image was either validated or DQd, assuming that we'd already requested you to provide your original & editing steps.

Originally posted by dyridings:
And... if you have a request for validation, does it ALWAYS get validated? Like has there ever been a time when there was a validation request but they didn't validate?

Validations can take a long time, especially if there's something the SC are discussing about an image, but we always decide one way or the other.

Thanks so much for the response! :)

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

02/29/2012 02:30:21 PM · #14

Originally posted by dyridings:

... if you have a request for validation, does it ALWAYS get validated? Like has there ever been a time when there was a validation request but they didn't validate?

the exact answer is..... usually, but not always. LOL!!!

I'm still waiting on one validation notice from 3 weeks ago. It may come some day. Usually, sooner or later, the validation notice will arrive via email.

bhuge

Canon EOS-550D Rebel T2i

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

02/29/2012 02:45:00 PM · #15

It's been about 6 days since my first ribbon and I'm still waiting for validation. You have to go out of your way to break the rules in an expert editing challenge, but it still makes me nervous :)

Manic

DJI Mini 3 Pro

Kamlan 28mm F1.4 MF for APS-C

02/29/2012 02:47:43 PM · #16

Originally posted by hahn23:

I'm still waiting on one validation notice from 3 weeks ago. It may come some day. Usually, sooner or later, the validation notice will arrive via email.

We just like making you squirm a little... ;)

Message edited by author 2012-02-29 14:47:54.

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

02/29/2012 03:51:49 PM · #17

Originally posted by Manic:

Originally posted by hahn23:
I'm still waiting on one validation notice from 3 weeks ago. It may come some day. Usually, sooner or later, the validation notice will arrive via email.

We just like making you squirm a little... ;)

Hey, thanks! validation received! I did squirm a little. I am patient and am grateful for the nice email.

NiallOTuama

Google Pixel 2

02/29/2012 03:53:40 PM · #18

Originally posted by Manic:

I got my music image validated today, which is great--red for keepsies! :-)

The squirming does work alright! :-)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

02/29/2012 06:32:28 PM · #19

Still awaiting mine. Lol.

Gordon_1

Nikon D800

02/29/2012 06:37:15 PM · #20

Originally posted by dyridings:

Still awaiting mine. Lol.

Oh dear a NOOB validation ...good luck :)

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

02/29/2012 06:37:52 PM · #21

Originally posted by Aperture_Ready:

Originally posted by dyridings:
Still awaiting mine. Lol.

Oh dear a NOOB validation ...good luck :)

Should I be concerned?

Gordon_1

Nikon D800

02/29/2012 06:38:36 PM · #22

Originally posted by Aperture_Ready:

Originally posted by dyridings:
Still awaiting mine. Lol.

Oh dear a NOOB validation ...good luck :)

We should have a NOOB validation award so many get D/Q on there first entry