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02/15/2012 09:07:00 PM · #1 |
//www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2097962/How-mother-idle-potty-train-child.html
I read these articles all the time, but has anyone on here come across this?
I would love to know. Toilet training indeed is harder for some than others, I mean with my first I had no idea what I was doing, so she was trained at 2 yrs 9months but my boys I was determined to train before 2, and it does work if you put in the effort. |
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02/15/2012 09:52:48 PM · #2 |
Neat, agree with you 100%. Sad thing is all our friends here in USA thought we were nuts for potty training our son so early. As soon as he was able to sit up, we sat him on the potty and get this, a child psychologist actually told our neighbor what we were doing was not 'potty-training'. Well, he was pooping in the potty by 13 months and peeing by 25 months, so if that isn't potty-training, I don't know what is.
Honestly, my wife works in the daycare system, and she sees apathy or indifference about potty-training built into the system. Parents and many system administrators seem to think kids are not capable of using a potty until they are four or five, which is utter nonsense. |
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02/15/2012 10:00:25 PM · #3 |
@ Osiris1975Yeah what would the phychologists know, I mean people have been training there children at a very young age for 1000's of years.
The diaper industry is making a killing out of ignorant parents!
Glad you had the sense to start early, it does work you just need a lot of patience.....lol |
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02/15/2012 10:13:54 PM · #4 |
I don't have kids, but when we were growing up, we were started VERY early. All kids were. Not sure if it was because we were using cloth diapers or because the parents had a bit more....more....ugh....not even sure what I'm looking for, but it's the same thing that made our parents teach us to say excuse me, when you walked in front of someone...my mom said I was doing that at age 2! The parents seemed to come from a different set of values and had a different attitude towards raising children.
I think the "give the kid whatever they want/be your kids friend" type attitude isn't helping. The parents around here seem to be more about themselves than their "token" kids.
Had I been able to have children, I would have been in the "earlier the better" school. My 2¢. (For WTW) |
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02/15/2012 10:41:58 PM · #5 |
| Just to add...kids learn something like 70% of everything they will ever learn by the age of 6!! Those parents that think someone is going to teach their children basic skills for them (the parents) are nuts! *steps off soapbox* |
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02/15/2012 11:08:49 PM · #6 |
| I always told my patients' parents the old adage, "Start at two and take six months; start at two-and-a-half and take six weeks." |
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02/15/2012 11:15:18 PM · #7 |
| I haven't even opened the article but I can tell you the answer. If you ever find yourself asking "is this true" on a daily mail article, it's not. |
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02/16/2012 12:09:59 AM · #8 |
My son trained very easily and quickly and early.
My daughter refused to. Flat refused. Part of it was my fault. At one point, we told here, "Big girls go potty." She was cool with that. Another point, another lesson, "Big girls don't have pacifiers." At 18 months old, apparently she figured out that "Big girls who use potties don't have pacifiers." She seemed to think that if she kept her pacifier, she would not have to be potty trained.
Every child is different. . . |
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02/16/2012 02:13:20 AM · #9 |
From the original ATL survey report
'Over the last ten years the number of children starting school before they have been toilet-trained is likely to have been affected by the SEN Disability Act in 2011 and the Disability Discrimination Act in 2005 (now the Equalities Act 2010), which have led some schools to believe they can no longer refuse to take these children.'
The ATL report was not limited to 5+ as the Mail article implies, but included the nursery class of schools, which take children from their third birthday. Combine the younger age with schools now admitting pupils to whom they would previously have deferred entry and the result is a higher number of toileting and continence accidents. This does not necessarily mean that the age at which children are potty trained is significantly higher than it was ten or twenty years ago, just that schools are now exposed to children they would not have been.
The Mail regularly confuses correlation with causation. I am not disputing that the age that children are potty trained has risen - I have no evidence either way - but if it has, I can think of a couple of factors that would merit investigation:
1.A much higher proportion where both/the sole parent work full-time resulting in a far larger proportion of babies and toddlers in full-time child-care. Some nurseries may adopt the view that it is easier to keep the child in nappies; the parent's job of toilet training is certainly harder if the child gets a conflicting approach from two separate sets of cares.
2. The improvement in the quality and comfort of disposable nappies. Babies and children no more appreciate discomfort that adults - wet, cold, heavy nappies that restrict movement were, I suspect, a pretty good incentive for the child to be free of them; from speaking with parents of children young enough to wear the 'new' style of nappies (yes, I am showing my age..) many children find the nappies comfortable when soiled - the gel makes the warm, soft and cushioning when wet!
Thus, it may be that the age of potty training has risen, but that may not imply that this is down to lazy parenting.
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02/16/2012 02:16:29 AM · #10 |
| I still can't hit the damn thing :( |
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02/16/2012 03:36:53 AM · #11 |
its funny becuase the mail on line has become world famous and is in poart a bit trashy and tabloidy with some of its stories online but as a broadsheet here is a far right wing propaganda mouthpiece, a bi word for middle england tory voting southerns. have tried to read it a few times when ive come across it in cafes etc, (i studied economics and politics and law at college(2 years pre university for yanks) and its a pack of lies assumption accusations and vitriol.
but their online presence is now the biggest news portal
we tried with my lad early on and he had a few number 2's etc but went on back burner when me and his mum split around him being 15months, then tried again when he was 2.5 and was done in a week even though he was split 50/50 with his mum he still got it and been problem free since touch wood
reading the article
i guess im unique in my current location and circle of friends thats i grew up in the countryside on a farm with acres and acres to play on with quads and guns and all things cool, making dends with axes etc and we were trusted to or it was assumed we were capable of looking after ourselves, sometime we hurt ourselves but nothing bad and chicks dig scars, but i see friends and parents now with their kids in the park on flat asphalt hovering over them and the kids got knee pads elbow pads helmet, jeathers! n their little scooter with the parents hands only inches away hows the kid ever going to learn risk assesment and hazard perception? we are raising a generation that will depend so much on others and blme others, i encourage my lad to explore and do what other parents would consider silly, albeit nothing mega dangerous and i'll often do it myself which is a funny sight in itself a 6" 230lb rugby player crashing down a hill on a kids scooter :0.
i see 6 year old with phones so mum and dad are always an arms reach away and ever stranger is a danger and the whole peadophile paranoia, they're hasnt been a sudden spawning of them. they have always been around its just now theyre easier to catch because they do it on the interent not via mail or however they used to do it before technology, my dad whos 65 tells me about the time some guy offered him sweets when he was 7 to see his willy, luckily dad was from central manchester so the guy got short shrift and duly told where to go.
so i guess my point is an my friends do it with their kids you cant molly coddled them they need to learn what hurts and whats doesnt, i like to keep 15 foot back with a sharp eye ready to pounce or shout but enough away so he can be himself leave sometimes he falls over or gets stunk bya nettle or a wasp or gazes his knee and his mum gives me grieve but hes gaining experience and it did me no harm, although they did know me by name at local a+e :)
Message edited by author 2012-02-16 04:05:22. |
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02/16/2012 06:30:10 AM · #12 |
| i think every parent would have the incentive to get the kids trained if anything to lower the monthly diaper bill. |
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02/16/2012 06:37:46 AM · #13 |
Sometimes I wish a certain kind of press would do what the WWF did, ceasing claiming any connection with reality and calling themselves for what they are, entertainment..
On the daily mail, one day you'll read X, the other the opposite of X, normally supported by anecdotal evidence and some hazily defined study. Go ask the authors of the study, and you'll other find out that it was sponsored by some advertiser or it was never meant to suggest the clear cut conclusions scientists always seem to reach in newspapers' fictional depiction of science..
Granted, sponsored articles and deliberate misuse of statistics and science are even more common now. Printed press makes no money, and online press is all about advertisers and money making. But the daily mail was well down that path long before everybody had internet.
The average age kids are potty trained has shifted, but this has affected all classes and income levels. It really is that modern nappies do not force parents to start potty training at 1 yr old or earlier, and grandparents are far less involved with helping out that they used to be. I know more than one family that left the kid with grandma for 10 days, and upon return found her magically potty trained. My mother would have been ashamed that her 18-month old was the only one in nappies at the nursery. But then, she belonged to a generation that didn't really count months and weeks after the first six months, saying 'my 20-month-old' would have attracted quite a few perplexed looks :D
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02/16/2012 06:57:01 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by HawkinsT:
I haven't even opened the article but I can tell you the answer. If you ever find yourself asking "is this true" on a daily mail article, it's not. |
I agree totally. My opinion of anything of theirs I have read is that it is entirely sensationalistic (is that a word?) so I don't waste my time reading their biased and prejudiced reporting if I want "real" reporting (ironically this reply is biased and has agendas, but it isn't prejudiced!). Their agenda seems to be to be to sell papers at the expense of misleading and poorly researched "facts" rather than accurately and fair journalism.
Maybe what I read elsewhere still is biased and equally misleading, but at least it isn't so obvious! I feel the same way about top gear. They try too hard to try to make me think the "comedy" isn't rehearsed, which I find insulting. It's not good to get offended by the very existence of something so it's probably best for me to avoid interaction with them in cases like this. So I do :-)
News reporting in Ireland for sure is absolutely appalling. Its not so much about reporting but journalistic inference. I just want the facts! I'll make up my own mind about them, thank you very much!
I am a bit of an opinionated about a few things. Reporting is one I'm more fanatical about.
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02/16/2012 07:12:34 AM · #15 |
| i blame the readers, the media outlets are just giving the people what they want. |
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02/16/2012 07:20:40 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by karmat:
My son trained very easily and quickly and early.
My daughter refused to. Flat refused. Part of it was my fault. At one point, we told here, "Big girls go potty." She was cool with that. Another point, another lesson, "Big girls don't have pacifiers." At 18 months old, apparently she figured out that "Big girls who use potties don't have pacifiers." She seemed to think that if she kept her pacifier, she would not have to be potty trained.
Every child is different. . . |
The same here, but opposite. My daughter was trained before 2. My son, I was terrified I wouldn't have him trained before he started kindergarten. He just refused to give up the pull ups. My daughter wouldn't give up the pacifier, my son's was gone before he turned 1. |
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02/16/2012 07:46:18 AM · #17 |
there is a reason we dont have grownups running around still wearing diapers. at some point it clicks.
Message edited by author 2012-02-16 07:46:33. |
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02/16/2012 07:47:04 AM · #18 |
the books say that you can't potty train a child until it was ready. I thought that was the stupidest thing on the face of the planet. Bedtime is bedtime. The child doesn't decide that. Why should they decide potty training.
So much for that. Both my children were stubborn and weren't potty train until around 3. I tried everything I could think of, every suggestion I could find. Nothing worked. Very frustrating time. |
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02/16/2012 07:59:07 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
the books say that you can't potty train a child until it was ready. I thought that was the stupidest thing on the face of the planet. Bedtime is bedtime. The child doesn't decide that. Why should they decide potty training.
So much for that. Both my children were stubborn and weren't potty train until around 3. I tried everything I could think of, every suggestion I could find. Nothing worked. Very frustrating time. |
That's right. Could you imagine if everyone let their child "decide" what they wanted to do when they wanted to do it? Oh wait... that's happening everywhere we turn. Parents letting their children raise themselves.
On another note, all three of my boys were stubborn and didn't want to use the potty. My first son was 3 when he was fully potty trained, my second son used pull ups at night time only till he was almost 4. And our last son will be 4 (in June) and still uses pull ups at night.
Can't wait for those to be gone!
Maybe that $ being used for pull-ups can be put in a "new lens" fund.
***Light bulb went off in head... gears are turning...***
LOL
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