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02/10/2012 12:08:18 PM · #101 |
Art exists without substance, it exists without existing, it exists in change and only through change, it is perfect like this. Our fragmented definitions are an attempt to grasp some kind of illusory dualistic reality, it may help us feel real and substantial for a while but we are just the same as art and have no lasting substance.
When all thoughts
Are exhausted
I slip into the woods
And gather
A pile of shepherd's purse.
Like the little stream
Making its way
Through the mossy crevices
I, too, quietly
Turn clear and transparent.
-Ryokan
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02/10/2012 12:10:29 PM · #102 |
So we could definitively say...
Art is subjective
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02/10/2012 02:23:32 PM · #103 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
So we could definitively say...
Art is subjective
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It's also objective. ;D
...and it can even be projective! |
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02/10/2012 03:31:35 PM · #104 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
@ Ray - that was only the first of quite a few images, and admittedly, probably the one I "like" the "best". In order to decide if his stuff is "good", you'd have to see at least a few more of his other images. At this point I must confess that when I viewed his work on line, I did NOT enjoy it at all. I thought it the height of mediocrity. And yet, paradoxically, when I saw it at the gallery (in very large format - 36 x 48 and larger), they were quite interesting, although just the sheer size may have helped. This is the paradox I'm exploring here. |
I don't know why but the large format on the walls looks like impressionist paintings. Maybe that's the effect he was after. |
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02/10/2012 04:17:16 PM · #105 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by dyridings:
So we could definitively say...
Art is subjective
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It's also objective. ;D
...and it can even be projective! |
Art can be defective. |
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02/10/2012 06:24:03 PM · #106 |
@ daisydavid - because I'm intrigued by the part of me that will look at an image and cringe, roll her eyes, feel exasperated when I think is meh/blah/unremarkable/whatever is being lauded. As a growing artist, I want to understand, or at least be more tolerant of, things that are not within my intellectual reach. Especially because this directly contradicts my belief that while everything is good to someone, mediocrity DOES exists. It is the old standard of opposites. Without hate, dark, cold, tears, we can't appreciate love, light, warmth, laughter. I really can appreciate "almost" every kind of artistic effort, but it doesn't mean I like it, or that I don't believe some stuff is just
I also decidedly believe that perception and personal taste are highly individual and quite difficult to manipulate, and seeking to be definitive about this is perhaps a fool's enterprise. It is seeming to be less and less likely that a concensus can be reached on any specific traits of mediocrity, which is mostly rather a function of personal taste.
Tantalus, in Greek mythology, king of Sipylos, son of Zeus and father of Pelops and Niobe. He was admitted to the society of the gods, but his abominable behavior aroused their anger, and Zeus condemned him to suffer eternally at Tartarus. One legend says that he had divulged divine secrets and stolen the gods' sacred food. Another tells that he had murdered his son Pelops and served his body to the gods to test their omniscience. As punishment he was condemned to hang from the bough of a fruit tree over a pool of water. When he bent to drink, the water would recede; when he reached for a fruit, the wind would blow it from his reach.
Perhaps you share not the crime but the punishment, John & Paul touch on it; art is ourselves and we are art, art is restless, to remain stationary is to wither and and die. How many directors, producers, actors, painters, dancers all lament that their performance is inadequate or are dismissive of it when praised, how many of them visit their own work willing and happily; very few in my life....you are not alone ;)
Message edited by author 2012-02-10 18:26:55. |
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02/10/2012 09:41:25 PM · #107 |
| Through the rise and fall of discovering a "good" photograph, does the definition ever become an expression of activated trust? |
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02/10/2012 10:20:14 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by jagar:
LOL, i still cant taste a thing though, surely chocolate is not a sour as this. |
My poem was the verbal equivalent of a blurry photo. |
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02/10/2012 10:21:19 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by jagar:
LOL, i still cant taste a thing though, surely chocolate is not a sour as this. |
My poem was the verbal equivalent of a blurry photo. |
maybe art isn't good then, if it doesn't taste like chocolate...
Yea for documentary!!! That tastes like rum! |
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02/10/2012 10:24:38 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by jagar:
LOL, i still cant taste a thing though, surely chocolate is not a sour as this. |
My poem was the verbal equivalent of a blurry photo. |
maybe art isn't good then, if it doesn't taste like chocolate...
Yea for documentary!!! That tastes like rum! |
oh but rum and chocolate are very good together. |
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02/10/2012 10:26:08 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by jagar:
LOL, i still cant taste a thing though, surely chocolate is not a sour as this. |
My poem was the verbal equivalent of a blurry photo. |
maybe art isn't good then, if it doesn't taste like chocolate...
Yea for documentary!!! That tastes like rum! |
oh but rum and chocolate are very good together. |
Excellent point! |
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02/11/2012 12:13:42 PM · #112 |
Oh yes, great pairing (chocolate and rum).
Would it thus be possible for us to conclude that experimentation and results are two separate things, and that the spirit of experimentation is almost always desirable/good but that it's results are not necessarily so?
Message edited by author 2012-02-11 12:13:57. |
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02/11/2012 12:25:05 PM · #113 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Oh yes, great pairing (chocolate and rum).
Would it thus be possible for us to conclude that experimentation and results are two separate things, and that the spirit of experimentation is almost always desirable/good but that it's results are not necessarily so? |
I'd rather conclude with a chocolate rum cake. |
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02/11/2012 12:28:29 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by tanguera:
Oh yes, great pairing (chocolate and rum).
Would it thus be possible for us to conclude that experimentation and results are two separate things, and that the spirit of experimentation is almost always desirable/good but that it's results are not necessarily so? |
I'd rather conclude with a chocolate rum cake. |
So would i, if i only new what chocolate was, rum must be the way to go. |
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02/13/2012 06:32:24 PM · #115 |
Nevermind...;-)
Message edited by author 2012-02-13 18:36:57. |
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02/13/2012 08:23:45 PM · #116 |
In conclusion, as the great master said
"If you photography is not good enough,
you are not good enough."
Ohh, well, or something like that. |
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02/13/2012 09:53:55 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by jagar:
So would i, if i only new what chocolate was, rum must be the way to go. |
Nothing worse than a literary critic... |
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02/13/2012 10:13:47 PM · #118 |
| I may not know what makes good photography, but I sure do know what makes for good chocolate :-) |
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02/13/2012 10:29:48 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Nothing worse than a literary critic... |
Originally posted by Ambrose Bierce:
CRITIC, n. A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him.
There is a land of pure delight,
Beyond the Jordan's flood,
Where saints, apparelled all in white,
Fling back the critic's mud.
And as he legs it through the skies,
His pelt a sable hue,
He sorrows sore to recognize
The missiles that he threw.
Orrin Goof |
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02/13/2012 11:06:46 PM · #120 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Nothing worse than a literary critic... |
Originally posted by Ambrose Bierce:
CRITIC, n. A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him.
There is a land of pure delight,
Beyond the Jordan's flood,
Where saints, apparelled all in white,
Fling back the critic's mud.
And as he legs it through the skies,
His pelt a sable hue,
He sorrows sore to recognize
The missiles that he threw.
Orrin Goof |
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When critics start to think
they're sharper than they are,
and seem at pains to sink
their pointed barbs too far,
I rise and spread my cheeks
to answer their critiques.
-- Robt. Ward
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02/13/2012 11:30:34 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Nothing worse than a literary critic... |
Originally posted by Ambrose Bierce:
CRITIC, n. A person who boasts himself hard to please because nobody tries to please him.
There is a land of pure delight,
Beyond the Jordan's flood,
Where saints, apparelled all in white,
Fling back the critic's mud.
And as he legs it through the skies,
His pelt a sable hue,
He sorrows sore to recognize
The missiles that he threw.
Orrin Goof |
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When critics start to think
they're sharper than they are,
and seem at pains to sink
their pointed barbs too far,
I rise and spread my cheeks
to answer their critiques.
-- Robt. Ward |
Can't beat that |
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02/13/2012 11:48:51 PM · #122 |
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