Canon 5D Mark III, 200-400mm, and 600mm spotted

01/24/2012 01:12:43 AM · #1

Looks like someone managed to catch a few 'spy photos' of some new gear
5D mark III, 200-400mm and 600mm

Tamron 16-300mm Di II VC PZD MACRO w/Canon Nikon mount

01/24/2012 10:42:22 AM · #2

Pretty interesting to see them "in the wild." I'm anxiously awaiting news on the specs of the new 5D. I still love my 5D "classic" but I sure would like a new toy!

JulietNN

Canon EOS R7

01/24/2012 01:28:18 PM · #3

The back of that looks exactly like my 7D! Looking sweet though!

RamblinR

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark III

01/24/2012 03:05:01 PM · #4

Doesn't appear to have an onboard flash so I'm thinking this would be the 5d MIII

Don't know why they wouldn't include an onboard flash these days seeing they have now started including flash control from the bodies using it.

Giles

01/24/2012 03:10:58 PM · #5

the 5d doesnt have a pop flash because of the full frame viefinder etc not enough room, to be fair ive never been in a situation where i was like damn i wish i had a flash on camera on my 5d

01/24/2012 03:16:45 PM · #6

I've created a frankenchild of the current 7D and the camera spotted in the wild :) perhaps the camera looks something like this...

Canon 5D Mark III Mock Up

01/24/2012 04:34:52 PM · #7

Originally posted by RamblinR:

Controlling off-camera flash using the on-board is useful, but honestly less useful than, for instance, IR control. The reason is, you often don't want an on-camera flash firing and contributing to lighting the subject.
I don't do a lot (OK, any, LOL) multiple-flash work at this juncture, so take what I say with a grain (or box) of salt ;-)

slickchik

OM System OM-1

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

01/24/2012 05:47:21 PM · #8

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by RamblinR:
Doesn't appear to have an onboard flash so I'm thinking this would be the 5d MIII

Don't know why they wouldn't include an onboard flash these days seeing they have now started including flash control from the bodies using it.

Controlling off-camera flash using the on-board is useful, but honestly less useful than, for instance, IR control. The reason is, you often don't want an on-camera flash firing and contributing to lighting the subject.
I don't do a lot (OK, any, LOL) multiple-flash work at this juncture, so take what I say with a grain (or box) of salt ;-)

Well, I used a light meter to measure the amount of light the flash was contributing to the overall exposure when using the on-camera flash as a controller and it was negligible. I don't remember just how much but it was a really really small amount as compared to the flashes I was using for exposure... something like 1/128 but don't quote me on that :-)

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/24/2012 09:58:16 PM · #9

Originally posted by slickchik:

I agree, it's very low. Obviously this depends what f stop you're shooting at though, as well as your camera to subject distance. One thing it does that can be annoying is create unwanted catchlights, and makes some people blink at horrible times, as well as interfere in macro scenarios.
At least for Nikon, you can get a separate shield that blocks the visible light of the onboard. You can most likely use it on a 7D if you want since it just sits in the hotshoe //www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/410445-REG/Nikon_4905_SG_3IR_IR_Panel_for.html

In any case, if you want to use Canon's flash system and you don't have onboard commander, you can always buy one. I Think the Canon one is the STE-2, Nikon is the SU800. The Nikon one adds an additional group to your control, and has a better signal, but I'm not on the up and up with the STE2. Granted... that does mean buying and wrangling another device into your bag...

Message edited by author 2012-01-24 21:58:59.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/24/2012 10:52:00 PM · #10

Originally posted by kirbic:

The 7D can control external flashes with or without firing the on-board flash.

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

01/24/2012 10:55:07 PM · #11

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by kirbic:
Controlling off-camera flash using the on-board is useful, but honestly less useful than, for instance, IR control. The reason is, you often don't want an on-camera flash firing and contributing to lighting the subject.

The 7D can control external flashes with or without firing the on-board flash.

Interesting. Did not know that. Is it using IR, e.g. focus assist to control?

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/24/2012 11:15:31 PM · #12

Originally posted by kirbic:

Interesting. Did not know that. Is it using IR, e.g. focus assist to control?

It's IR. It's the last line item ion the first camera control menu.

R.

Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 EX Aspherical DG HSM for Nikon

01/25/2012 06:01:31 AM · #13

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Interesting. Did not know that. Is it using IR, e.g. focus assist to control?

It's IR. It's the last line item ion the first camera control menu.

R.

Yeah, I hadn't heard that either. Very nice feature.

bohemka

Nikon D700

01/25/2012 06:28:32 AM · #14

Originally posted by spiritualspatula:

One thing it does that can be annoying is create unwanted catchlights, and makes some people blink at horrible times, as well as interfere in macro scenarios.
At least for Nikon, you can get a separate shield that blocks the visible light of the onboard.

Much like what Scalvert's mentioned regarding Canon, you can choose to not have the onboard flash fire with Nikon (at least with the D700).

ray_mefarso

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 50mm f1.2L

01/25/2012 08:58:17 AM · #15

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Interesting. Did not know that. Is it using IR, e.g. focus assist to control?

It's IR. It's the last line item ion the first camera control menu.

R.

I don't believe the 7d pop-up flash can control external flashes without firing a full spectrum beam. The flashes are controlled by IR light which is emitted by st-e2 or 580 ex2 in master configuration. There is no way that I can see of eliminating the built-in flash reflections and catchlights.

eta: the pop-up flash cannot produce IR-only light

Message edited by author 2012-01-25 08:59:07.

01/31/2012 01:40:32 PM · #16

Originally posted by ray_mefarso:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by kirbic:

Interesting. Did not know that. Is it using IR, e.g. focus assist to control?

It's IR. It's the last line item ion the first camera control menu.

R.

I don't believe the 7d pop-up flash can control external flashes without firing a full spectrum beam. The flashes are controlled by IR light which is emitted by st-e2 or 580 ex2 in master configuration. There is no way that I can see of eliminating the built-in flash reflections and catchlights.

eta: the pop-up flash cannot produce IR-only light

You can set it so the flash won't affect the exposure but you are right, it will still create light to communicate to the slave flashes. The light is before the shutter opens though.
There was a good discussion about this on the FM forum

Panasonic LUMIX DMC-LX100

01/31/2012 02:34:10 PM · #17

Originally posted by leaf:

I'm a little confuzzled by this... if the 7D uses the (visible-light) on-board flash to trigger the slaves, then by definition it *must* fire during the exposure, in order to tell the slaves "shutter is firing." The pre-flashes for metering are another matter. I can envision some ways of potentially getting 'round this, but to my knowledge the on-board flash does fire during exposure, just at a low enough level that it does not contribute significantly to lighting the subject. As a previous poster said, it would, however, potentially create unwanted catchlights and/or reflections in specular surfaces.

spiritualspatula

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/31/2012 09:54:01 PM · #18

Originally posted by kirbic:

Originally posted by leaf:

You can set it so the flash won't affect the exposure but you are right, it will still create light to communicate to the slave flashes. The light is before the shutter opens though.
There was a good discussion about this on the FM forum

I'm a little confuzzled by this... if the 7D uses the (visible-light) on-board flash to trigger the slaves, then by definition it *must* fire during the exposure, in order to tell the slaves "shutter is firing." The pre-flashes for metering are another matter. I can envision some ways of potentially getting 'round this, but to my knowledge the on-board flash does fire during exposure, just at a low enough level that it does not contribute significantly to lighting the subject. As a previous poster said, it would, however, potentially create unwanted catchlights and/or reflections in specular surfaces.

Agreed. When I get home I'll verify this with my D300.
All you'd need to do is have it fire into a mirror and you'll find out readily enough.

slickchik

OM System OM-1

01/31/2012 11:10:25 PM · #19

Originally posted by scalvert:

WHAT?!?!?! Why did I not figure this out... Are you sure about that?

ETA: I disagree with Shannon... the manual for the 7D says, "the camera's built in flash can work as a master unit with Canon speedlites having a wireless slave feature and wirelessly trigger the speedlites to fire."

Unless I misunderstand Shannon, the on board flash HAS to fire... it is a very small output but it must fire. I've used this system. There isn't another way I am aware of even after reading the manual. There is a light pulse signal so it doesn't exactly FIRE but it has to emit light.

Message edited by author 2012-01-31 23:21:42.

scalvert

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/31/2012 11:30:22 PM · #20

Originally posted by kirbic:

if the 7D uses the (visible-light) on-board flash to trigger the slaves, then by definition it *must* fire during the exposure, in order to tell the slaves "shutter is firing."

I just tested it. In this mode there is a visible pre-flash before the external flash fires. It's almost simultaneous, but the built-in flash does NOT fire during the actual exposure and therefore does not contribute to catchlights and reflections at all. There's also a mode that allows you to test the flashes to make sure everything is synced up correctly. When you do that, there is a noticeable (like 3/4 second) lag between the pre-flash and the external speedlight firing, so clearly the built-in strobe does not have to fire during the exposure to trigger the speedlights. I'm sure the timing is intentionally near-simultaneous so subjects aren't in mid-blink when the speed lights go off.

Also explained HERE.

Message edited by author 2012-01-31 23:35:08.

slickchik

OM System OM-1

01/31/2012 11:36:23 PM · #21

nm

Message edited by author 2012-02-01 00:08:35.

scalvert