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01/20/2012 07:01:07 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
He even weighed in on taxes with, "Pay unto Caesar what is Caesar's." :) I'd love to see that busted out at a Republican debate... |
LOL, that's about as out of context as you can get... It's almost as malleable as the OT's immortal "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" statement, which doesn't mean anything like what people think it does :-)
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01/20/2012 07:02:20 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...my bottom line still stands, "Christian does not equal Republican. Republican does not equal Christian." The media often loses the distinction and we all suffer for it. It strikes me as an error on the scale of saying atheism is communism and communism is atheism. |
The Big Guy himself, that Jesus dude, was a pretty radical fella, actually. I got him pegged for a Social Democrat, myself :-)
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I'm pretty sure that Jesus would be sick at many of the things that have been done in his name and the actions of some of his believers. |
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01/20/2012 07:08:16 PM · #28 |
As long as we're posting Biblical quotes often taken out of context, one of my favorites (is usually abbreviated to change the context, though it) always makes me wonder why Romney-type capitalism isn't considered anti-Christian:
"(Love of) money is the root of all evil." |
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01/20/2012 07:58:55 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The sheer hypocrisy of Newt, persecuting Clinton for extramarital affairs, while engaging in the very same acts............. |
Clinton was not impeached for engaging in extramarital affairs, it was for lying under oath while being deposed during a civil lawsuit brought against him by a private citizen (Paula Jones). Are you suggesting that lying under oath under such circumstances should not be a crime? |
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01/21/2012 07:04:15 AM · #30 |
I am not an American, but goodness me, may not even the worst of the worst ever have to call that self righteous man "Mr President". Nobody deserves that fate, nobody. Bush was the beginning of the end, do not hasten the reaching of end of America. This great, or shall I say once great nation seems to me to be unable to produce real leaders. What went wrong? Not one of those conservatives, holy underpants or not, deserve a seat close to the white house. Neither does Mr Obama. Hillary, well, there is the answer.
Gingrich? No ways, he will prostitute your country as easily as he did the woman in his life. Uch! |
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01/21/2012 07:53:05 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by senor_kasper:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
The sheer hypocrisy of Newt, persecuting Clinton for extramarital affairs, while engaging in the very same acts............. |
Clinton was not impeached for engaging in extramarital affairs, it was for lying under oath while being deposed during a civil lawsuit brought against him by a private citizen (Paula Jones). Are you suggesting that lying under oath under such circumstances should not be a crime? |
I am suggesting he is a hypocrite. Dont kid yourself, the blowjob in the oval offfice was the crime. Up until clinton, perjury was prosecuted federally rarely bordering on never before. If lying was illegal, there would be scant enough jails to contain politicians. Lying, or twisting truths about extramarital affairs, is expected, in private matters somewhat justified.
What is really disturbing is that a cheating jackass like Gingrich, doing the very same thing could go all out partisan and break the man code.
Implicit in all of the GOP candidates is the need to pander to the religious right to get the vote. Pander is a good word for what Gingrich does...
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01/21/2012 02:36:47 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
What I cannot believe is the Republican party falling all over themselves jostling for the position of "who's furthest to the Right?" It seems all they care about is toeing the party line. Even in the face of all that we've been through the past decade and the dire need for bi-partisan *action* we cannot get these guys to see further than their noses! |
Hardly surprising given that Republican leaders have openly declared that their first priority is making sure Obama is a one-term president. Not A priority, mind you, but their FIRST priority... ahead of the deficit, economy, jobs, freedom, equality, national security, etc. To that end they have obstructed even formerly routine legislation, filibustered at every opportunity, delayed or blocked presidential appointees, and even demonized policies that were originally their own proposals and then have the audacity to claim out lack of progress as evidence of a failed presidency. Republicans have literally held the nation hostage over efforts to bring down the president, no matter the consequences. As Republicans have sought to purify an ideology aimed at incongruous bases (big business/wealthy and conservative/blue class), the middle class must necessarily be sacrificed and conflicting "values" leave candidates open to ridicule.
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But still, I listen to the news and read it and Gingrich does not strike me as a "religious candidate" like Perry or Santorum or Bachman. |
In 2009, Gingrich founded Renewing America's Leadership- "a non-partisan, non-profit dedicated to Judeo-Christian values," and just last week he started the Gingrich Faith Leaders Coalition. In the words of the chairperson he picked, "Gingrich is the man who will best represent biblical principles and will be best equipped to defeat President Obama in November." |
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01/21/2012 03:58:10 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I am personally enjoying the "clown show" that is the Republican debates, and the political suicide for the GOP it ushers forth. |
I just hope you're correct about the political suicide. Makes me shudder to think that one of these guys could actually win. |
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01/21/2012 04:02:20 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Judith Polakoff:
Originally posted by blindjustice:
I am personally enjoying the "clown show" that is the Republican debates, and the political suicide for the GOP it ushers forth. |
I just hope you're correct about the political suicide. Makes me shudder to think that one of these guys could actually win. |
+1000 |
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01/21/2012 10:32:04 PM · #35 |
| Obama has a very good chance to be defeated, no doubt. But God help America if the guy they chose is Gingrich. Or any other of the clowns. Where are your leaders guys, are politicians all you have left? |
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01/21/2012 10:35:06 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by docpjv:
Obama has a very good chance to be defeated, no doubt. But God help America if the guy they chose is Gingrich. Or any other of the clowns. Where are your leaders guys, are politicians all you have left? |
yeah cause most smart people don't get involved with dirty business.
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01/22/2012 12:49:45 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But still, I listen to the news and read it and Gingrich does not strike me as a "religious candidate" like Perry or Santorum or Bachman. |
In 2009, Gingrich founded Renewing America's Leadership- "a non-partisan, non-profit dedicated to Judeo-Christian values," and just last week he started the Gingrich Faith Leaders Coalition. In the words of the chairperson he picked, "Gingrich is the man who will best represent biblical principles and will be best equipped to defeat President Obama in November." |
But this is, of course, one week before the South Carolina primary where the assumption is that religious people have a big say. If you can give me a good Christian quote from Gingrich during or just before the NH primary, I'll take it all back. I'm pretty sure you could find such a quote from Perry, for example. Gingrich, not so much. |
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01/22/2012 01:04:39 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
But still, I listen to the news and read it and Gingrich does not strike me as a "religious candidate" like Perry or Santorum or Bachman. |
In 2009, Gingrich founded Renewing America's Leadership- "a non-partisan, non-profit dedicated to Judeo-Christian values," and just last week he started the Gingrich Faith Leaders Coalition. In the words of the chairperson he picked, "Gingrich is the man who will best represent biblical principles and will be best equipped to defeat President Obama in November." |
But this is, of course, one week before the South Carolina primary where the assumption is that religious people have a big say. If you can give me a good Christian quote from Gingrich during or just before the NH primary, I'll take it all back. I'm pretty sure you could find such a quote from Perry, for example. Gingrich, not so much. |
2009 was not just before the SC primary, and during the NH debates Gingrich blasted questions about gay rights as "anti-Christian bigotry" rather than addressing the actual discriminatory and legal issues involved. |
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01/22/2012 06:06:56 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...If you can give me a good Christian quote from Gingrich during or just before the NH primary, I'll take it all back. |
Define good Christian quote.
I have listened to all of these debates and most of these folks (of late anyways) are tripping over themselves to seemingly demonstrate that they are the embodiment of all those things that good Christians should strive for and that theirs is a prime example of what family lives should be like.
Just saying,
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01/23/2012 02:52:58 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...If you can give me a good Christian quote from Gingrich during or just before the NH primary, I'll take it all back. |
Define good Christian quote.
I have listened to all of these debates and most of these folks (of late anyways) are tripping over themselves to seemingly demonstrate that they are the embodiment of all those things that good Christians should strive for and that theirs is a prime example of what family lives should be like.
Just saying,
Ray |
I guess maybe the difference could boil down to candidates who are happy to say, "I stand for X" and leave it at that while there are others that will say, "I stand for X, because I am a Christian.". I would consider the second to be a "religious candidate" and the first to just be a candidate who may support positions valued by Christians. Do you see the difference?
The more I think about it though, the more I think my point is irrelevant to the OP's point. It IS ironic if Gingrich is viewed as the champion of the religious right. |
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01/23/2012 07:26:27 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
...If you can give me a good Christian quote from Gingrich during or just before the NH primary, I'll take it all back. |
Define good Christian quote.
I have listened to all of these debates and most of these folks (of late anyways) are tripping over themselves to seemingly demonstrate that they are the embodiment of all those things that good Christians should strive for and that theirs is a prime example of what family lives should be like.
Just saying,
Ray |
I guess maybe the difference could boil down to candidates who are happy to say, "I stand for X" and leave it at that while there are others that will say, "I stand for X, because I am a Christian.". I would consider the second to be a "religious candidate" and the first to just be a candidate who may support positions valued by Christians. Do you see the difference?
The more I think about it though, the more I think my point is irrelevant to the OP's point. It IS ironic if Gingrich is viewed as the champion of the religious right. |
Actually, there were polls that showed just that from the SC primary. I don't have time to look for it right now, but I'll try to post it later. I was actually shocked looking at the figures.
eta: Found it... //www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/sc
Check out the Religious Beliefs of Candidates Matter...
also check out the Most Important Candidate Quality section. Very telling.
Message edited by author 2012-01-23 08:02:09. |
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02/13/2012 12:31:47 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Just for some clarity, I don't think Newt is really presenting himself as a defender of Christian values. |
I have no idea if you watched any of the debates Doc, but I have watched every single one of them and every single one of the candidates seemingly try to outdo each other regarding who is the most conservative, pro-religion, anti-gay and the list goes on.
Personally, I prefer candidates who like to deal with fiscal and social issues, defence matters and other similar matters and leave the religious and sexual issues to the individuals.
Ray |
No, I didn't watch any of the debates. You've noticed there seems to be very little of quality found within. But still, I listen to the news and read it and Gingrich does not strike me as a "religious candidate" like Perry or Santorum or Bachman. I mean it as a pervasive thread in their run. Candidates these days are everything to every man at some point, so just because Gingrich cloaks himself in the Christian flag in South Carolina doesn't mean as much to me.
I admit I could be wrong about Newt out of ignorance, but my bottom line still stands, "Christian does not equal Republican. Republican does not equal Christian." The media often loses the distinction and we all suffer for it. It strikes me as an error on the scale of saying atheism is communism and communism is atheism. |
Agreed here, but it's not an accident or simple faulty logic. It's propaganda. It seems pretty obvious to me that the right is trying to fuse religion and politics (and patriotism to boot) so well that you can't tell one from the other any more. Get people to follow the party as devoutly as God, and you can do whatever crazy things you want because they will support blindly. Obviously not everyone. But the people that blindly follow religion, will be more than willing to blindly follow parties too, and blindly believe you are anti-America if you go disagree with the government. (Just to clarify, not saying ALL followers are blindly following, just a certain type.)
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02/13/2012 12:36:31 AM · #43 |
As for Newt. He's a disgusting human being all around. I am not one to care about a candidate's personal life but lets look at how things go:
Anthony Weiner sends picks of himself in boxers: resigns.
Clinton gets a BJ: impeachment trials.
Newt cheats on and leaves 2 sick wives: How dare you question me! This is not important at all. (Apparently when it's a bj it's important but not an elongated affair... search me)
I'd love to do a more thoroughly researched list but I'm at work. The point, as made already is this: Reps are outraged when Dems have a sex scandal and exploit it to no end, but sweep it under the rug and act like it doesn't matter when a Rep does it. Try to play victim because the big bad Dems care about such stupid things.
I LOVE the victim act. It's my favsies. Reps are so cute. (Not a huge fan of Dems either but they aren't nearly as entertaining).
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