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01/09/2012 03:52:19 AM · #1 |
| Langdon's survey for the Best of 2011 has produced so far the overwhelming desire to keep things as they were. I think DPC needs an enormous shake up to keep new members coming!! (and some old ones staying around) Keeping the status quo is not going to work! |
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01/09/2012 05:20:56 AM · #2 |
To have the ONLY 'Best of 2011' under Expert Editing rules is not fair to all members of this site. If you are going to have an Expert Editing version, then also have an Advanced, Basic and Minimal version. Let the members speak for themselves in what they want to do, by entering the challenge of their choice. As much as I love expert editing, I am not selfish in demanding that others do as I Want!!!
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01/09/2012 05:28:41 AM · #3 |
Horrifying? No way!
I love seeing all the different levels of challenges and although Basic/Minimal isn't MY cup of tea, I still think it has a place in the great scheme of things. As do Expert and Advanced.
I'm with Judi..... give us variety. The more choices we have, the better. No matter which way you'll restrict things, someone will always feel left out.
If we can't have choices, we'll have to stick with the compromise (Advanced) at least for the big challenges like the "Best of...." ones. Not perfect, but the best we can do under the circumstances. |
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01/09/2012 05:44:01 AM · #4 |
Apparantly minimal doesn't have a place anymore, it's as if basic is the opposite of expert now not minimal, totally ridiculous. I am open to expert anytime as long as the opposite happens equally, this is not the case and it's a bit unfair. Advanced would be better for the best of I think.
Message edited by author 2012-01-09 05:44:35. |
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01/09/2012 05:58:11 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by jagar:
Apparantly minimal doesn't have a place anymore, it's as if basic is the opposite of expert now not minimal, totally ridiculous. I am open to expert anytime as long as the opposite happens equally, this is not the case and it's a bit unfair. Advanced would be better for the best of I think. |
I agree. I don't really see the point of basic and would be quite happy with just Minimal, Advanced and Expert. As to this case in hand i think it's quite right that it's Advanced for the Best Of.
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01/09/2012 06:04:49 AM · #6 |
| I shoot in RAW only, and I suppose I'm not the only one doing so: "minimal" would prevent all these persons from entering a "best of" challenge. |
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01/09/2012 06:13:19 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
I shoot in RAW only, and I suppose I'm not the only one doing so: "minimal" would prevent all these persons from entering a "best of" challenge. |
I agree best of would be no good in minimal, I was referring to the unequal balance between minimal and expert, i also shoot only in RAW but I find it really easy to switch the camera to jpeg. |
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01/09/2012 06:22:04 AM · #8 |
I'm very new here, so I can't offer any evidence to "What have we come to?!", but the challenges should remain varied. Advanced editing is certainly less challenging to bring a really successful image to than a challenge that allows nearly no editing at all, however, it seems the most appropriate choice for a challenge spanning 365 days worth of images.
Message edited by author 2012-01-09 06:22:43. |
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01/09/2012 06:49:19 AM · #9 |
Horrifying because the majority want ONE challenge to be advanced editing?
Wow, you sure have a weird definition of horrifying. |
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01/09/2012 06:52:01 AM · #10 |
| It's not just horrifying, it's an abomination. A black stain on the very soul of DPC. |
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01/09/2012 06:59:20 AM · #11 |
Of course people want BO2011 to be Advanced Editing. Many people will have actually put images aside for this challenge; to change the goalposts now would be quite wrong.
I we were voting for BO2012, then I could see the sense (though personally I'd still vote for Advanced).
However. Why not run a parallel challenge called:
Hidden Gems: Diamonds in the Rough
(Expert Editing)
'We all have a body of work that we have built up during 2011 - fully explore your 2011 archive and produce a piece of photographic art with the option to use the Expert Editing ruleset. Without any restrictions, see how your 'rough diamonds' polish up". |
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01/09/2012 07:17:49 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by paulbtlw:
However. Why not run a parallel challenge called:
Hidden Gems: Diamonds in the Rough
(Expert Editing)
'We all have a body of work that we have built up during 2011 - fully explore your 2011 archive and produce a piece of photographic art with the option to use the Expert Editing ruleset. Without any restrictions, see how your 'rough diamonds' polish up". |
Oh, i'm all for that. Ideally with a month long submission time. I'm sure I can come up with a suitably monstrous abomination for that. |
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01/09/2012 07:21:42 AM · #13 |
i voted for basic... albeit accidentally on ipad, im not bothered that really. advanced or expert, id pick a nicely composed image and edit it to advanced standards but wouldnt be combining 35 images into a gyaban esque epic. a i'm not good enough and b. not got enough time
its a challenge, abide by the rules so unless youve got a very specific idea in mind that this prevents whats so horrifying about it? |
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01/09/2012 07:24:17 AM · #14 |
i love expert and voted for advanced.
i want to see everyone best images they took of 2011, not best images they created.
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01/09/2012 07:37:44 AM · #15 |
+10
Originally posted by mike_311:
i love expert and voted for advanced.
i want to see everyone best images they took of 2011, not best images they created. |
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01/09/2012 07:43:13 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i want to see everyone best images they took of 2011, not best images they created. |
This is the most succinct and best way to make the point. well said Mike. |
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01/09/2012 07:50:34 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by giantmike:
Originally posted by mike_311:
i want to see everyone best images they took of 2011, not best images they created. |
This is the most succinct and best way to make the point. well said Mike. |
Ditto |
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01/09/2012 08:05:04 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by gyaban:
I shoot in RAW only, and I suppose I'm not the only one doing so: "minimal" would prevent all these persons from entering a "best of" challenge. |
+1 but for Minimal challenges, I shoot RAW and large jpg. Then you have a RAW quality image to play with and a jpg one to actually do up for an entry. |
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01/09/2012 08:17:02 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
i love expert and voted for advanced.
i want to see everyone best images they took of 2011, not best images they created. |
My feelings and reasons that I stated in this earlier thread Best of 2011 Challenge, Expert Editing basically mirror what mike said in the last part. I would be open to the the suggestion that  Bear_Music offered to appease the seemingly both camps that were emerging on the issue ONLY if they were separate challenges with separate voting dates.
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Langdon's survey for the Best of 2011 has produced so far the overwhelming desire to keep things as they were. I think DPC needs an enormous shake up to keep new members coming!! (and some old ones staying around) Keeping the status quo is not going to work! |
Giving people a voice and allowing them to give input (and listening to them when they do vote) to the site is a smart business model to keep it running and keeping people happy for the most part (admittingly, we will always find something to complain about). An 'enormous shakeup' as you propose without giving people a voice in direction would rankle many, many people and be detrimental to operation of the site. I think that showing/demonstrating that people have a voice in the site operations is a far, far more attractive 'feature' to many members and to potential members.
Message edited by author 2012-01-09 08:17:52. |
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01/09/2012 08:20:01 AM · #20 |
| I would think that making the "Best of..." expert editing would produce an even smaller turnout of entries. I know that there have been expert challenges where advanced edited entries have won, but they are few and far between. "Creating" images in not everyone's cup of tea, nor skillset. |
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01/09/2012 08:37:01 AM · #21 |
Advanced and basic are not very different. Either one would work for a retrospective look through the catolog. I figure advanced allows spot editing so somebody might be able to "correct" or enhance a great shot that they could not otherwise submit. (cloning out a light pole, dodging selectively, etc.)
Using expert for this challenge seems to go way to far and make it more about editing in 2012 than picture taking in 2011. Turns it into the "best digital art of 2012" challenge.
Perhaps some modified rule set could be put forward by the SC, one that allows a bit of leeway but keeps the challenge less digital art based. (not that that would be a bad thing, just not a photographical thing, arguably.)
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01/09/2012 08:57:23 AM · #22 |
Well advanced is the choice of the voters at the moment so no reason for people to panic or get knickers all twisted !
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01/09/2012 09:11:54 AM · #23 |
Um...every one is saying that an Expert "Best of 2011" challenge is unfair to everyone else. I don't quite see how that is so. Just because you can doesn't mean you have to do any editing. If you wanted to enter a photo with minimal, basic, or advanced editing you can still enter it into that challenge. An expert challenge is the only way to let ALL levels of editing photos into the challenge. I take the best of challenge is to show us the best work you have done all year. If you limit it to minimal, basic, or advanced...you are eliminating some people's best work.
edited: I am not good enough to do expert editing and do not do it in any of my photos, but still think that it should be allowed for "best of" challenges...then again I also think that it should be allowed for Freestudy's as well.
Message edited by author 2012-01-09 09:14:36. |
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01/09/2012 09:24:14 AM · #24 |
Without numbers thoughts are simply an opinion.
So, I personally hope we'll have dozens more polls in the future. Gives the illusion of a democracy :-)
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01/09/2012 09:29:03 AM · #25 |
I love expert editing challenges but the best of 2011, or any year for that matter, is not right for expert editing. I voted advanced I think it is the best fit for this challenge.
However, if we wanted to do a separate themed challenge, such as: Winter Wonderland: use any photos taken in 2011 to produce a winter wonderland scene. (this was just the first thing that popped into my head not an actual topic, I'm sure we could come up with something better)
At any rate it would be a week long challenge like any other challenge and you could use any photo taken in 2011 to complete the scene. Something like this I think would be really fun and challenging. |
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