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 12/16/2011 08:59:23 AM · #26
Originally posted by Simms:
Sour grapes.

Are delicious.
 12/16/2011 09:03:52 AM · #27
I don't enter to Expert editing, I don't have that kind of imagination. Maybe once or twice in 6 years. This is a "DIGITAL" photography website, so expert editing is "knock yourself out" contest using every digital talent you have.

There are a very few people enthusiastic about this here, I rather to see advance editing as top editing, but again, "knock yourself out" gives us some interesting digital art... nothing more.
 12/16/2011 09:07:27 AM · #28
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Simms:
Sour grapes.

Are delicious.


And being eaten in great quantities by the green eyed members of the board.
 12/16/2011 09:39:39 AM · #29
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1

btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations!


Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art.


There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch.


I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush.


And IMO it should stay that way. Well some would say to physically create the wings and attach them to the subject. To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what Gyaban, Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this


I could care less what other's think about it. I gave my opinion. Simple as that. I can't draw. Others can. Some people have money to burn, I don't. Using a brush is how I compensate. I can cut and paste just fine too. If people don't want the rule on brushes changed, whatever. How about at least allowing a no date restriction on things other than the main image? Such as I can take the butterfly wings from something I shot in the summer for a winter time edit?
 12/16/2011 09:42:35 AM · #30
I agree with renaming it to "Digital Art" and lifting the few restrictions it still has since with them it falls "short" in the options the creator might have...

To me, in my very humble and personal opinion and without pretending at all to be an expert, the moment the final product doesn't resemble at all the original photograph(s) due to the retouching or processing it is not a photograph... It's digital art (or digital whatever... you choose)

I do admire the ability some guys (and girls) have here to achieve these final images but just because they are created from a set of photographs doesn't make the final product a photograph and to me the notion of "photographic in nature" falls in a very wide gray area.

Message edited by author 2011-12-16 09:43:34.
 12/16/2011 09:51:22 AM · #31
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1

btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations!


Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art.


There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch.


I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush.


And IMO it should stay that way. Well some would say to physically create the wings and attach them to the subject. To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what Gyaban, Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this


I could care less what other's think about it. I gave my opinion. Simple as that. I can't draw. Others can. Some people have money to burn, I don't. Using a brush is how I compensate. I can cut and paste just fine too. If people don't want the rule on brushes changed, whatever. How about at least allowing a no date restriction on things other than the main image? Such as I can take the butterfly wings from something I shot in the summer for a winter time edit?


Then that removes the entire point of a "Challenge". Come up with the idea and create the the entire image in the allotted time frame.
 12/16/2011 09:56:24 AM · #32
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1

btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations!


Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art.


There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch.


I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush.


And IMO it should stay that way. Well some would say to physically create the wings and attach them to the subject. To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what Gyaban, Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this


I could care less what other's think about it. I gave my opinion. Simple as that. I can't draw. Others can. Some people have money to burn, I don't. Using a brush is how I compensate. I can cut and paste just fine too. If people don't want the rule on brushes changed, whatever. How about at least allowing a no date restriction on things other than the main image? Such as I can take the butterfly wings from something I shot in the summer for a winter time edit?


Then that removes the entire point of a "Challenge". Come up with the idea and create the the entire image in the allotted time frame.


I'm pretty sure that's what I already do and have been doing for 561 entries so far. Stop being such a snippy little jerk. I believe I'm entitled to express my opinion as well as the next person.
 12/16/2011 09:59:11 AM · #33
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Kelli:
+1

btw - I love Digital Fantasy Creations!


Let me clarify what I'm agreeing to. I think more restrictions should be lifted on this one. For instance, I can't draw at all. So why shouldn't I be allowed to use a pre made brush to make something such as butterfly wings? If I could draw I could make my own brushes or just draw what I want, but I can't. Sure, I could go buy some fabric ones, but who can afford to keep buying things like that just for challenges (the really pretty ones are about $60 and up)? I still think you should take your own pictures, but who cares if it doesn't look real? There is nothing wrong with digital art.


There's a difference though than photographing something and using what you have photographed to create your image rather than using a pre-made brush to digitally create your image from scratch.


I did say you should take your own pictures. If I took a picture of a person, and wanted to make it about fairy's but it was the dead of winter and I had no access to take pictures of butterflies to use their wings, then I should be able to use a brush is what I'm saying. They way the rules are written right now, I believe you'd be allowed to draw the wings. But you're not allowed to use a premade brush.


And IMO it should stay that way. Well some would say to physically create the wings and attach them to the subject. To just use a comp to create something from scratch should not be allowed. That's just my take on the matter. I would really love to hear what Gyaban, Judi or some of the other heavy expert hitters have to say on this


I could care less what other's think about it. I gave my opinion. Simple as that. I can't draw. Others can. Some people have money to burn, I don't. Using a brush is how I compensate. I can cut and paste just fine too. If people don't want the rule on brushes changed, whatever. How about at least allowing a no date restriction on things other than the main image? Such as I can take the butterfly wings from something I shot in the summer for a winter time edit?


Then that removes the entire point of a "Challenge". Come up with the idea and create the the entire image in the allotted time frame.


I'm pretty sure that's what I already do and have been doing for 561 entries so far. Stop being such a snippy little jerk. I believe I'm entitled to express my opinion as well as the next person.


Your very entitled to express your opinion. As am I. I wasn't trying to nit pick & apologize if anything I said may seem to come off as a personal attack against you. Believe me, it wasn't.
 12/16/2011 09:59:54 AM · #34
I still enter them but tend to use an image that is only basic editing.
Some do OK and some suck.
Digital art creation has its place. I personally wish to concentrate on getting a desirable image direct out of the camera rather than spending hours creating art. I used to do a lot of HDR bit I have never had the talent to draw hence why I use a camera to express myself.

I say "enter them with a photograph if you cannot draw" that's what I do. It is not a photography challenge but it does accept photographs too
 12/16/2011 10:09:35 AM · #35
+1
 12/16/2011 10:23:32 AM · #36
I want to hear more from IAmEliKatz and Kelli.
 12/16/2011 10:33:56 AM · #37
Originally posted by JH:
I want to hear more from IAmEliKatz and Kelli.

All I want to know is if a thread exchange continues for x number of times, will the thread reach the vanishing point?
 12/16/2011 10:41:20 AM · #38
Based on the last wins thread. Never.

Message edited by author 2011-12-16 10:41:51.
 12/16/2011 10:47:42 AM · #39
I am not making a judgment, just an observation- because you don't want to stifle Gyaban and his fantastic artistic creations- which are at times so brilliant it makes you not want to try to compete...(among other users as well).

I guess the real question is - should the site change or modify the rules to make the shots be more "photographic" in nature and less "cartoony."
It seems that the voters are siding with the graphic design side of the equation, rather than the "I used photoshop to enhance and do things not possible with a camera in one frame, but it still looks like a possible yet amazing capture."

In the context of all that, it seems kind of silly to say that if you want to combine a monkey, a lunar scene and a glowing pink 57 chevy- that you must have taken the pictures of all those yourself- why? its such a ridiculously cartoony final image- its putting way to fine a point on the whole thing to say you must have taken everyone of the 200 frames you used yourself in a proscribed time period. Post processing is not really photography, in its truest essence, so why not allow a "scrapbooking element" or a "drawing" element into it. Could the final results of these expert challenges, as whimsical, etheral and crafty asthey are, be less "photographic" in nature?
 12/16/2011 10:54:31 AM · #40
So basically,

Basic Editing
Advanced Editing
Expert Editing

And the once in a while

"Free Editing"

No rules. Use any portion of any image (Copyright comment goes here) and brushes you want to create your image.

12/16/2011 10:58:36 AM · #41
I wanna learn how to edit like that.
 12/16/2011 11:05:26 AM · #42
I say let the voters decide instead of rules. Believe me, this hurts me more than it hurts you.
 12/16/2011 11:08:19 AM · #43
deviantart.com

And for the mere artistically challenged mortals, Facebook. :-)
 12/16/2011 11:09:57 AM · #44
not sure where i stand on this, while its clearly not photographic in nature its also something that dont want reigned in.

kelli, i can see why the rule is where it is with brushes, however i agree that we shouldnt be able to use them and i also think that you should not even be able to use others textures. its not fair to allow us to use type of work that isnt your own (textures)yet ban others (clip art, brushes) either you create all of it or use none of it. Frankly i practice this myself becuase its personal experience that the way you apply a texture has to be done a certain way, so i dont use them unless i make them.

back on topic, its expert editing people. Gyaban got ripped before for an entry that wasn't "photographic in nature". expert editing is a digital creation, you can punch it as far or as little possible, the male/female portrait challenge was the perfect mix of this. you aren't always going to have that perfect mix. in fact i was shocked i didn't see more entries push as far as his with such a fantastical(?) subject.

12/16/2011 11:12:43 AM · #45
Originally posted by PGerst:
Personally, I think the update should be a few less expert challenges. They are nice to look at once in a while, but lately, its been about 1 for every 10 challenges.


+1
 12/16/2011 11:22:24 AM · #46
5th and 6th place in this challenge are pretty much NON-expert, for what that's worth. My original is linked in the comments space. I did some cloning to repair the upper right of the crab that might not be OK in advanced, but it's a single-capture image that hasn't been morphed/warped/altered in any significant way. NickyB's picture is definitely legal in advanced, and maybe even in basic, not sure if he used layers.



I enjoy competing against the fantasy-creators with more purely photographic images. I've done OK at it, too. So could anyone, with the right approach. Of course, that's just MY opinion; everyone's entitled to one. I do understand the point the OP (and others) are making, I just don't happen to agree with it. I particularly don't agree with any suggestion to remove the time constraints from the expert ruleset. I'd be OK with the occasional special-rules expert challenge that did that, though.

R.
 12/16/2011 11:24:34 AM · #47
Originally posted by Melethia:
deviantart.com

And for the mere artistically challenged mortals, Facebook. :-)


LOL! I'm no where near good enough for deviantart. And the people I have on FB just don't get the odd stuff. Guess it will just always have to sit on my computer unloved.
 12/16/2011 11:32:32 AM · #48
Let me edit that for you:

Originally posted by IAmEliKatz:

Basic Editing
Advanced Editing
Expert Editing

And the once in a while

"Free Editing"

No rules. Use any portion of any image (Copyright comment goes here) and brushes you want to create your image.


Message edited by author 2011-12-16 11:33:19.
 12/16/2011 11:38:58 AM · #49
I think Basic Editing is the most "photographic in nature" challenge we have...

Message edited by author 2011-12-16 11:43:57.
 12/16/2011 11:51:07 AM · #50
I love the expert editing as is. It is so fascinateing to see what people come up with and I love when they show how they did it. It's made me learn more about my editing programs. My first expert editing was the mystical animals,I was unsure how far you could go and I literally tied a foam cycindar to a grey horses head... phfffttt, the horn sucked. This time I created my horn and it's sooo much better.. Ok the first picture was better than this one BUT I learned how to create a horn. (and from a window in my barn) LOL

Let er stand I love to see what Gayban n Judi n all the cool creative folk do!!
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