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11/26/2011 10:06:01 AM · #1 |
what are your opinions on this just had someone message me about my comment i left on their photo, to be honest not sure what photo it was but they were disagreeing with me on some aspects of my comment, agreeing on others
they gave it all the thank you for taking the time to comment etc,
So what are your thoughts on this, ive messaged and thanked ppl for comments after a challenge and im not shy with my commenting otherwise there no point in doing it. often ppl comment on mine and i dont agree, i dont message them i just dont tick the found it helpful box?
yeah i could hide during voting but i dont min., i say it as i see it, but feel this could, to certain ppl put them off commenting? |
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11/26/2011 10:14:12 AM · #2 |
| The reason I went anonymous. I don't like being contacted DURING voting. It makes me feel very vulnerable and as a result, I found myself leaving unremarkable comments like "nice", "good eye", etc. |
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11/26/2011 10:33:49 AM · #3 |
FWIW Sometimes I'll pm someone about a comment during voting, but I was always ask that they DO NOT change their score as a result of having learned which photo is mine. Every so often I get pm'd about a comment. Try to not do it too often.
And yep, some peeps are not comfortable being contacted during voting. Generally I mostly comment only in challenges that I am not entered in. |
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11/26/2011 10:59:56 AM · #4 |
I would guess that people contacting you during voting tend to find absolutely nothing wrong with it, so you in turn probably shouldn't be all that bothered.
Unless of course they contact you trying to get you to change your score! |
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11/26/2011 11:11:39 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Covert_Oddity:
I would guess that people contacting you during voting tend to find absolutely nothing wrong with it, so you in turn probably shouldn't be all that bothered.
Unless of course they contact you trying to get you to change your score! |
Most of the time I was being asked to defend my position. To me that is harassment. And most of the time, those PMs were a knee jerk reaction. Most of the time it turns out that I was the first commenter, and the "aggravating" observation was also made by several other people who commented after me. I've always wondered if the photog PMd all of them as well. If someone left me a comment that continues bother/puzzle/intrigue me after rollover, then I contact them. It gives me time to consider the opinion, see if there are others that mention the same thing, etc.
Every now and then I will leave a comment wondering where the shot was taken, or what the occasion was, and receive a message from a photographer. That's something else altogether. |
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11/26/2011 11:19:20 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Every now and then I will leave a comment wondering where the shot was taken, or what the occasion was, and receive a message from a photographer. That's something else altogether. |
I'll respond to these types of questions every once in a while. The reason being, I usually don't remember to do so later. But only if it seems a geniune question and not just an I wonder type thing. Other times I'll just stick a note in the photographers comments. |
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11/26/2011 11:34:48 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
The reason I went anonymous. I don't like being contacted DURING voting. It makes me feel very vulnerable and as a result, I found myself leaving unremarkable comments like "nice", "good eye", etc. |
Ditto. Not that I comment all that much. I would *never* contact someone to rebut their comment, even after voting. I would never PM someone *at all* during voting as it would compromise anonymity. I don't understand why some folks can't take a comment at face value.
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11/26/2011 11:47:30 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by tanguera:
The reason I went anonymous. I don't like being contacted DURING voting. It makes me feel very vulnerable and as a result, I found myself leaving unremarkable comments like "nice", "good eye", etc. |
Ditto. Not that I comment all that much. I would *never* contact someone to rebut their comment, even after voting. I would never PM someone *at all* during voting as it would compromise anonymity. I don't understand why some folks can't take a comment at face value. |
+1 though I'm still dumb enough not to be a bag head..
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11/26/2011 11:56:48 AM · #9 |
I will sometimes pm someone in voting, but it is usually someone I am friendly with and often a confirmation when they have picked out my entry. If I do pm someone else, I make it clear by my wording that the pm is conversational and not an argument. If the comment was critical, I also express some appreciation for an explanation of what was probably a low vote. Often someone will have a criticism of something in my shot that was totally intentional. Those can result in some interesting discussions about how things are perceived and why they are done.
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11/26/2011 12:01:06 PM · #10 |
| The only times I have contacted someone during a challenge, is when in their comment they showed that they had completely misunderstood something in my picture or they specifically asked a question in their comment. But I still say that they shouldnt change their vote |
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11/26/2011 12:50:15 PM · #11 |
| Usually I just try to clear up any misconceptions people may have about the shot, but will also sometimes pm DPC buddies who've left a comment. Most of the time I identify the subjects or any camera/pp techniques in photographer comments section and leave that for others to find after voting. |
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11/26/2011 03:18:54 PM · #12 |
occasionally I will respond to a comment. It is normally to ask for clarification of the comment...I am never nasty about getting a bad comment...Those actually help people to improve
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11/26/2011 04:04:14 PM · #13 |
I very seldom submit anything, but I like people commenting more than votes and I do find articulated criticism more precious than generic praise.
So, if the comment is critical but unclear to me, I will reply during the challenge thanking and asking clarifications without defending my image in any way.
That's just because, with so many images in a challenge, I feel it's easier for the commenter to expand and clarify when their impression is fresh in their mind. It is easier for me, anyway.
Likewise, I will normally reply to clarification requests.
I am bothered with the idea my reply might sound as a request to reconsider the image, but then, I do change sometimes my mind over the week and, if a reply to my remarks would make me realize I have missed something important, I would not have a problem changing my vote to an higher one.
I just would love if we could add something to the title to indicate that criticism is more than welcome. |
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11/26/2011 04:14:33 PM · #14 |
| When these kinds of questions arise, I always wonder why ALL comments on entries aren't automatically anonymous during a challenge and the commenters' names not revealed until after rollover. At least it would prevent someone from contacting voters during voting. :-) |
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11/26/2011 04:24:24 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by CJinCA:
When these kinds of questions arise, I always wonder why ALL comments on entries aren't automatically anonymous during a challenge and the commenters' names not revealed until after rollover. At least it would prevent someone from contacting voters during voting. :-) |
+1
IMO, it is generally bad form to PM a commenter during voting. No matter what is said, it can often have the effect of influencing the vote - sometimes in a downward direction, and if influencing the vote is not the intent of the PMer, why not wait until after voting? |
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11/26/2011 04:36:56 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
IMO, it is generally bad form to PM a commenter during voting. No matter what is said, it can often have the effect of influencing the vote - sometimes in a downward direction, and if influencing the vote is not the intent of the PMer, why not wait until after voting? |
My point exactly. What can the photographer possibly learn from PMing the commenter during voting that s/he could not learn just as easily after rollover? The only possible reason to request clarification during voting is a desire (consciously or not) to affect the vote. I should add that like others have stated here, I DO send PMs during voting to photogs with whom I regularly interact on DPC, when I know it's their image. And the way I know it's their image is because they asked for feedback on it.
@  mcaldo - the picture is not going to go away, and neither is the comment they left. Both will be available for the commenter to view, after rollover so they can refresh their mind. |
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11/26/2011 04:58:38 PM · #17 |
I think there are 2 appropriate responses to a comment.
During a challenge "please look at it on another monitor"
After a challenge "please expand on your comment, I did not understand." |
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11/26/2011 05:55:21 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
@ mcaldo - the picture is not going to go away, and neither is the comment they left. Both will be available for the commenter to view, after rollover so they can refresh their mind. |
I see your point but, personally, for some images I don't agree.
Dependently on the type of comment, it's easier for me to reply if asked immediately rather than in 10 days.
However, I do tend thinking to other people's entries a lot, and comment often. Perhaps because my partecipation is not too constant. Was I a more frequent user, perhaps I would only comment on really striking and memorable images.
It would be really easier for me to know in advance whether criticism is welcome or not on an image, and whether a poster objects being contacted during the challenge. But perhaps it's just me.
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11/26/2011 07:14:30 PM · #19 |
| We serve as foils for the young/new to the art to exercise their "wings" of artistic expression and opinion. It is important for us to receive (in silence, sans rebuttal) the energy in the interest of photographic education and progress of the collective community. |
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11/26/2011 07:42:27 PM · #20 |
i have gotten messages during but most if not all have been thankful. i never give any out during voting, nor do i usually reply to them afterward.
i welcome all sorts of comments and everyone is entitled to any opinion they have. if folks can't handle criticism i give out they a) shouldn't be sharing photographs, b) on the internet). |
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11/26/2011 08:05:10 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
We serve as foils for the young/new to the art to exercise their "wings" of artistic expression and opinion. It is important for us to receive (in silence, sans rebuttal) the energy in the interest of photographic education and progress of the collective community. |
+1
A jewel of a thought. I will have to try to keep this in mind when I receive any comment that may not totally sit well with me.
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11/26/2011 08:09:04 PM · #22 |
I have burnt my fingers early on as an inexperienced newbie DPCer. Being a seasoned DPCer now (sort of :) I solved the problem as follows:
1. wear a bag
2. don't leave critical comments, just nice ones
I realize this reduces the effectiveness of the online community but unfortunately there are some DPCers who cannot take any criticism. I have now personally joined that group! ;) I prefer nice comments! :)
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11/26/2011 08:11:45 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by hahn23:
We serve as foils for the young/new to the art to exercise their "wings" of artistic expression and opinion. It is important for us to receive (in silence, sans rebuttal) the energy in the interest of photographic education and progress of the collective community. |
I assume you have changed your thinking since I left a controversial comment on your image many months ago :) But I was young then.. |
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11/27/2011 08:21:27 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by hahn23:
We serve as foils for the young/new to the art to exercise their "wings" of artistic expression and opinion. It is important for us to receive (in silence, sans rebuttal) the energy in the interest of photographic education and progress of the collective community. |
I assume you have changed your thinking since I left a controversial comment on your image many months ago :) But I was young then.. |
And, if someone steps over the line, just let it go and forgive them. |
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11/27/2011 02:35:08 PM · #25 |
I think it is Totaly Wrong to pm on a comment... First it's that commentors perspective take on the shot, newbie or not look at what they said, I then either think humm might try that or ignore it and still hit helpful. No matter how off base the comment is, at least they took the time to do it, and if it is a newbie, perhaps when their eye develops further they may still be commenting and able to be really helpful to your photography.
I myself have just ventured out fromt the world of Love it, nice etc to leaving specific comments, ie composition, lighting etc... I have left several what I intended to be constructive critiqes on photos, and I am scared to death I might be leaving one on a big shooters piece... If I got pm'd over it I'd probaly NOT feel comfortable to offer MY Opinion on what I think might have made this better in MY view...
Just my 2 cents |
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