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11/25/2011 08:55:17 PM · #26 |
| Perhaps we should realize that the cowboy's generation is part of the casualty of insufficient spending on education. Just about all the men in my birth family served in the US military going back 4 generations, and every single one of them would have been horrified by cowboy's original post. |
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11/25/2011 09:03:36 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by tnun:
Perhaps we should realize that the cowboy's generation is part of the casualty of insufficient spending on education. Just about all the men in my birth family served in the US military going back 4 generations, and every single one of them would have been horrified by cowboy's original post. |
Oh, i don't know about that. The Cowboy is only 4 years younger than me and probably just as bonkers mad. Just in a different way. You can't blame insanity on educational spending- i left school at 13. I just took loads of drugs and read Burroughs instead whereas Cowboy went into the army and become very selective about his source of news. |
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11/25/2011 09:26:12 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army.... |
You know, i hate to bring up the obvious irony of you, an army man spending time overseas to 'bring democracy' to Iraq or wherever, but seemingly keen on pepper-spraying it to bits in your own country. It's all a bit of a sham really isn't it? |
I fought for our country to keep our freedoms and to keep our national language as English.....
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11/25/2011 09:29:37 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by tnun:
Perhaps we should realize that the cowboy's generation is part of the casualty of insufficient spending on education. Just about all the men in my birth family served in the US military going back 4 generations, and every single one of them would have been horrified by cowboy's original post. |
Oh, i don't know about that. The Cowboy is only 4 years younger than me and probably just as bonkers mad. Just in a different way. You can't blame insanity on educational spending- i left school at 13. I just took loads of drugs and read Burroughs instead whereas Cowboy went into the army and become very selective about his source of news. |
sigh. sometimes I think we all should have left school a lot sooner.... |
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11/25/2011 09:33:57 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh and by the way I do not watch CNN ( Communist News Network ) That is what we called it in the army. I watch FOX. I also don't watch NBC ( National Barack Channel ) Also from the army.... |
You know, i hate to bring up the obvious irony of you, an army man spending time overseas to 'bring democracy' to Iraq or wherever, but seemingly keen on pepper-spraying it to bits in your own country. It's all a bit of a sham really isn't it? |
I fought for our country to keep our freedoms and to keep our national language as English..... |
Iraq had a secret linguistic plan then i guess. Look, never mind all that, but can't you see that those freedoms that you fought for are are just the freedoms that you are trying to squash when you say you think the protesters should be pepper-sprayed and jailed? |
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11/25/2011 09:34:51 PM · #31 |
ok to make a long story short.....the fed govt needs to get smaller....they need to quit giving crap away...I think there should be drug test mandatory for welfare.. Our funding needs to be reduced drastically.....i.e. Our funding to China ranks in the multi billions the only prob now is they are a major player and we still pay
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11/25/2011 09:39:56 PM · #32 |
| Agree/Disagree, I don't care. But, personal attacks will not be tolerated. (post containing the attack, and those that quoted it have been hidden). |
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11/25/2011 09:47:52 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
I fought for our country to keep our freedoms and to keep our national language as English..... |
Dude, step away from the Fox news. If you fought to keep a national language, you fought for the wrong cause. We do not have a national language. We have never had a national language. From revolution to today we are a polyglot culture, this is not a weakness, it is our strength. |
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11/25/2011 10:04:28 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I think what a lot of people are objecting to is that your homeland is already overtaken. By people who don't really care about your homeland only care what they can suck and leech from it in a very unfair way. |
Really? most Americans (56% in the last poll I saw) believe immigrants work harder than native Americans do. Most Immigrants I know are "American on purpose" they are not here by an accident of birth, but chose to live in this country. The are mostly white collar professionals who are highly educated. Can you point me to a study that shows these hordes of people "overtaking" our country who are sucking and leeching? I would love to see the error of my ways. Any serious study. Anything.
P.S. How was the Alabama harvest last year? Thank goodness those illegals left. |
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11/25/2011 10:11:08 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
I think what a lot of people are objecting to is that your homeland is already overtaken. By people who don't really care about your homeland only care what they can suck and leech from it in a very unfair way. |
Really? most Americans (56% in the last poll I saw) believe immigrants work harder than native Americans do. Most Immigrants I know are "American on purpose" they are not here by an accident of birth, but chose to live in this country. The are mostly white collar professionals who are highly educated. Can you point me to a study that shows these hordes of people "overtaking" our country who are sucking and leeching? I would love to see the error of my ways. Any serious study. Anything. |
Um... I meant the '1%'
Dude, try and read the thread, and the thread i'm taking, before jumping in. ;)
I realise you've just woken up but still.
Message edited by author 2011-11-25 22:12:02. |
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11/25/2011 10:18:15 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Dude, try and read the thread, and the thread i'm taking, |
I guess it must be a language barrier, I have no idea what that means. |
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11/25/2011 10:22:03 PM · #37 |
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference.
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11/25/2011 10:25:36 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Dude, try and read the thread, and the thread i'm taking, |
I guess it must be a language barrier, I have no idea what that means. |
I guess the thread has become slightly confusing as a lot of it has been deleted. By 'the thread i'm taking' i just meant that if you've read my other posts in the thread it would be bizarre to think that i just suddenly switched from a defence of OWS to an attack on immigrants or something. Like i said, perhaps the missing posts have become confusing. It was probably much clearer before. |
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11/25/2011 10:31:12 PM · #39 |
Oh I also would like to add...at this moment in time FOX has the most accurate reporting.....I speak from experience seeing both stories on the news on several occasions... FOX is not right all the time but they ar a bunch more accurate than CNN
Message edited by author 2011-11-25 22:32:02.
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11/25/2011 10:31:59 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
Kropotkin dude, Kropotkin. Forget Fox News .Get on to the library. You'll love him. |
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11/25/2011 10:34:06 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
What? Um, you do realize that's what the OWS people are trying to do, right? So you agree with the OWS people? Maybe just not their methods? You've totally thrown me for a loop now. |
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11/25/2011 10:34:52 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
Kropotkin dude, Kropotkin. Forget Fox News .Get on to the library. You'll love him. |
So you are now calling me an anarchist????
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11/25/2011 10:38:30 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by clive_patric_nolan:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
Kropotkin dude, Kropotkin. Forget Fox News .Get on to the library. You'll love him. |
So you are now calling me an anarchist???? |
In making perhaps. You never know. But hey, anarchism is not quite such a dirty word, or ideal, as Fox News says you know. Unrealistic - yea, probably but not quite satanism. |
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11/25/2011 10:40:04 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh I also would like to add...at this moment in time FOX has the most accurate reporting.....I speak from experience seeing both stories on the news on several occasions... FOX is not right all the time but they ar a bunch more accurate than CNN |
Hahahahahahahahahaha! OMG, that's the funniest thing I've heard today. |
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11/25/2011 10:43:23 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh I also would like to add...at this moment in time FOX has the most accurate reporting.....I speak from experience seeing both stories on the news on several occasions... FOX is not right all the time but they ar a bunch more accurate than CNN |
Hahahahahahahahahaha! OMG, that's the funniest thing I've heard today. |
I have seen 2 reports (cnn, fox) in a story that I was involved in. FOX was spot on...CNN was a mile away...i.e. I did not interview or talk with either one
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11/25/2011 10:46:29 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh I also would like to add...at this moment in time FOX has the most accurate reporting.....I speak from experience seeing both stories on the news on several occasions... FOX is not right all the time but they ar a bunch more accurate than CNN |
Finding a media outlet that agrees with your opinion is not the same as being accurate. "The Project on Excellence in Journalism report in 2006[41] showed that 68 percent of Fox cable stories contained personal opinions, as compared to MSNBC at 27 percent and CNN at 4 percent. The 'content analysis' portion of their 2005 report also concluded that "Fox was measurably more one-sided than the other networks, and Fox journalists were more opinionated on the air.'" Wiki
"Recently, the Fairleigh Dickinson University came out with a poll confirming something that many of us have probably suspected all along. It stated that Fox News viewers are less informed than people who donĂ¢€™t watch any news at all." citation
Seek a wider net for your information. Fox news is a top down organisation, and MSNBC is no better, infotainment is not a good thing. |
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11/25/2011 10:48:15 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Oh I also would like to add...at this moment in time FOX has the most accurate reporting.....I speak from experience seeing both stories on the news on several occasions... FOX is not right all the time but they ar a bunch more accurate than CNN |
Hahahahahahahahahaha! OMG, that's the funniest thing I've heard today. |
I have seen 2 reports (cnn, fox) in a story that I was involved in. FOX was spot on...CNN was a mile away...i.e. I did not interview or talk with either one |
Just because they on occasion get a story right doesn't make them "the most accurate"...
Writing for the Los Angeles Times, Republican and conservative columnist Jonah Goldberg indicated his belief that Fox News was rightward-leaning: "Look, I think liberals have reasonable gripes with Fox News. It does lean to the right, primarily in its opinion programming but also in its story selection (which is fine by me) and elsewhere. But it's worth remembering that Fox is less a bastion of ideological conservatism and more a populist, tabloid-like network."[13] |
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11/25/2011 10:56:14 PM · #48 |
I'm going to post, again, my thoughts from literally days and days ago in this thread when i was almost sober. Just because i'm drunk now and can't be arsed writing it all again but i think it is still salient. Again.
True, but i'd suggest that people be wary of all news sources, whether it's from the left or the right, when looking for any sort of journalistic 'truth'. Mainstream journalism, as we tend to think of it, has pretty much been crippled over the last couple of decades to the point that it is pretty much a shadow of what it once was. Even the papers with the best of intentions have been forced into 'corporate-thinking' and the need to get news out as quick, and to as many sources, as possible to make as much money as possible. Once that sort of thinking took hold any sort of old school fact-checking gets thrown out of the window. Newspapers used to rely on a large number of journalists to go out and report and check the story but now, due to far, far less staff, a story just gets trundled out and copied and copied a copied-each paper maybe having time to re-arrange a paragraph or so so it isn't verbatim what they get down the wire. The news agencies were once a source of leads but now it's just one part of the news factory along with P.R. Not much gets checked when there are time and monetary factors that need to be upheld. Churnalism they call it and it's as rampant in Fox News, BBC News, The Guardian or the New York Times.
Message edited by author 2011-11-25 22:56:49. |
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11/25/2011 11:53:44 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by geinafets:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
What? Um, you do realize that's what the OWS people are trying to do, right? So you agree with the OWS people? Maybe just not their methods? You've totally thrown me for a loop now. |
Adam, I'm still hoping for some clarification. |
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11/26/2011 12:19:56 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by geinafets:
Originally posted by geinafets:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
hey...hey...hey...All I was doing is doing a little venting. I am fed up with "business as usual". I think we need to start from the top down and reelect people that will make a difference. |
What? Um, you do realize that's what the OWS people are trying to do, right? So you agree with the OWS people? Maybe just not their methods? You've totally thrown me for a loop now. |
Adam, I'm still hoping for some clarification. |
>Adam is not available at the moment as he's gone to the library to read Das Kapital<
I hope so anyway. Not that i've read it. Boring chunk of wood.
But i do hope that Adam will read or watch, something other than Fox News. After all, you have to know an enemy to fight it? Surely? I mean, i read some Ayn Rand once and that gives me a general idea of some ideas of people that follow that stuff. Horrible to do but there you go.
p.s - i'm not for one minute reducing the whole OWS to a Das Kapital vs Atlas Shrugged battle. That would be foolish. Foolish but fun maybe but still foolish. But still fun. |
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