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11/18/2011 09:46:39 AM · #1 |
| an interesting article, but, you'll have to read it very carefully to get the point ;-) |
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11/18/2011 09:53:39 AM · #2 |
| A defense of photoshop from 1903? |
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11/18/2011 09:59:29 AM · #3 |
| I love that the arguments against photographic manipulation were completely destroyed in 1903. Great find. |
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11/18/2011 10:12:10 AM · #4 |
That's a little gem!!! Great find. (I'm still not gonna get off my soapbox for minimal editing though, lol!!)
Thanks for sharing!! |
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11/18/2011 11:02:19 AM · #5 |
LOL, I do love good sarcasm... and there is some downright great sarcasm there! It's a real mind-opener to realize that arguments about image manipulation are nearly as old as photography itself!
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11/18/2011 11:57:03 AM · #6 |
I see nothing wrong with a little dodge & burn, and a few other techniques if it makes the photos connect better with the viewer.
Digital art, like  Judi's recent Poe ribbon winner are ok with me too, with the understanding that the scene never actually existed except in her mind before the finished image was created. It's equivalent to painting with pixels.
By coincidence, I bought a Bausch & Lomb 5X7 format lens a few days ago on eBay that has a 1903 patent date on it. I hope to be able to adapt it to work with my D7000 to see how the world looks through the old school technology.
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11/18/2011 12:01:05 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
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By coincidence, I bought a Bausch & Lomb 5X7 format lens a few days ago on eBay that has a 1903 patent date on it. I hope to be able to adapt it to work with my D7000 to see how the world looks through the old school technology. |
Oh, cool! Please keep us posted on the conversion/rebirth. |
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11/18/2011 12:38:46 PM · #8 |
It's interesting to note that there was probably no color photography at that time. If so, then the only "true" photos would be of scenes with only black, white, and shades of grey.
It must have been a real adventure to be a photographer back in those days.
Here's the lens. The price was less than most high quality current lenses.
If I can get it to work with the 7000, I will probably "manipulate" the images LOL.
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11/18/2011 02:08:51 PM · #9 |
a gem. A variation on Heisenberg's principle.
Interesting about Waddy's lens purchase; I have been playing with and thinking about my old manual 50 mm - how truly different it is, and how each (necessarily) conscious manual manipulation affects the result, and how I don't think I will ever get to the bottom of it. AND I love how succinctly Steichen rushes to the future which appears, deceptively, to have arrived. |
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11/21/2011 10:26:04 PM · #10 |
The 1903 lens is here! It's in excellent condition both metal and glass, and the aperture has about 35 leaves in it. It's f4.5 and the focal length is not marked, but makes a nice infinity image at about 105mm. I feel that it will almost mount directly on my bellows attachment, and maybe, plus an extension tube to get focal length needed.
Now if I can just figure out a way to make the camera and lens autonomous so that it can go out and get those mounted framed prints for the "Royal Photographic Society" LOL.
Message edited by author 2011-11-21 22:27:09.
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11/22/2011 12:07:44 AM · #11 |
| About 35 leaves in the lens?! Holy hand grenade! I thought 9 was a lot!!! Enjoy that lens, and if you ever decide you don't want it, let me know..... |
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11/22/2011 11:32:43 PM · #12 |
Here are the first quick shots with the Zeiss, all hand held, with bellows attachment, by holding the lens on the end of the bellows with one hand and the camera with the other.
All at f4.5, and some basic adjustments in iPhoto, making them "Fakes" according to the article in the OP. : )
  
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11/22/2011 11:49:31 PM · #13 |
your lens is begging to be black and white.
do take a photo of your camera! |
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11/23/2011 12:53:26 AM · #14 |
One out of three "ain't bad". That was a good idea. Thanks Don.
I will post a shot of the rig tomorrow evening.
Message edited by author 2011-11-23 00:56:43.
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11/24/2011 12:48:27 AM · #15 |
   
I made an adapter to put the old lens on the bellows.
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11/24/2011 02:29:42 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by MelonMusketeer:
with the understanding that the scene never actually existed except in her mind before the finished image was created. |
To me, in a nutshell this is the definition of photography.
If I can get the viewer to see what I conjured up in my mind's eye when I pushed the shutter button, then I've done what I set out to do.
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11/24/2011 04:16:43 AM · #17 |
way cool! for anyone interested/needing a clue about what is going on here, here's a wiki about view cameras. |
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11/24/2011 09:28:55 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Skip:
an interesting article, but, you'll have to read it very carefully to get the point ;-) |
Well, this certainly destroys the old saying, "in a hundred years, nobody will care...". Incontrovertible proof, that photographers will argue about anything forever! |
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