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Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/09/2011 09:09:15 AM · #27

Originally posted by Ammie:

There are many who missed the challenge completely

I got a comment from a couple people who say I missed the challenge completely, but I specifically shot for this challenge, put the golden ratio overlay on my photo and cropped it to fit. If it is off, it is by only a very small margin. I think people need to look at images closely before applying a DNMC vote.

I don't think you have to have a photo of an obvious spiral, not discounting those who did, to still fit the challenge. Sometimes the spiral is more subtle you just have to spend some time and look for it.

dswann

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5G IF-ED

11/09/2011 09:18:03 AM · #28

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by Ammie:
There are many who missed the challenge completely

I got a comment from a couple people who say I missed the challenge completely, but I specifically shot for this challenge, put the golden ratio overlay on my photo and cropped it to fit. If it is off, it is by only a very small margin. I think people need to look at images closely before applying a DNMC vote.

I don't think you have to have a photo of an obvious spiral, not discounting those who did, to still fit the challenge. Sometimes the spiral is more subtle you just have to spend some time and look for it.

Plus, the golden ratio is not just defined by a spiral.

bjoern

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/09/2011 09:22:02 AM · #29

Originally posted by sjhuls:

I don't think you have to have a photo of an obvious spiral, not discounting those who did, to still fit the challenge. Sometimes the spiral is more subtle you just have to spend some time and look for it.

The golden ratio is not limited to spirals at all. At least that's my understanding of it.

11/09/2011 09:27:26 AM · #30

Regarding my recent DNMC comment -

The golden ratio = 1.61803399. It's a mathematical concept. So, if it's a 800 x 494 crop (or something very close to that ratio) it meets the challenge. If it has a focal point where the spiral winds up, all the better.
And yes, of course, it has to be a good picture to get a good vote - that's a separate issue.

The overlay. I would encourage people to look at it and use it if necessary.

Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS HSM

11/09/2011 09:29:44 AM · #31

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Ammie

Nikon D500

11/09/2011 09:34:19 AM · #32

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Not necassarily a spiral but a curve and the focal point at ROT. If I'm wrong, my apologies, but that is my understanding of the challenge.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/09/2011 09:35:01 AM · #33

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

The overlay. I would encourage people to look at it and use it if necessary.

Great. If an entry does not line up right on the crosshairs, it's DNMC.

Sony Sonnar FE 2.8 35mm ZA

11/09/2011 09:37:48 AM · #34

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:
The overlay. I would encourage people to look at it and use it if necessary.

Great. If an entry does not line up right on the crosshairs, it's DNMC.

To be visually balanced in a golden rectangle (1:1.618), points of interest need to be place approximately near one or more of the four golden ratio points. (That image can be flipped vertically and horizontally....hence, the four potential points.)

jagar

Samsung Galaxy S9/S9+

11/09/2011 09:47:57 AM · #35

I used the overlay and still got a DNMC comment and a 4 :(

Garry

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

11/09/2011 09:48:35 AM · #36

Originally posted by dswann:

Originally posted by sjhuls:

Originally posted by Ammie:
There are many who missed the challenge completely

I got a comment from a couple people who say I missed the challenge completely, but I specifically shot for this challenge, put the golden ratio overlay on my photo and cropped it to fit. If it is off, it is by only a very small margin. I think people need to look at images closely before applying a DNMC vote.

I don't think you have to have a photo of an obvious spiral, not discounting those who did, to still fit the challenge. Sometimes the spiral is more subtle you just have to spend some time and look for it.

Plus, the golden ratio is not just defined by a spiral.

+1. Golden ratio is a compositional tool. I don't believe the subject has to have any curves or spirals in it to adhere to this. Conversely, just because there is a spiral in ones image, does not mean it met the golden ratio.

Message edited by author 2011-11-09 09:51:32.

bjoern

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

11/09/2011 09:50:45 AM · #37

Originally posted by PennyStreet:

Regarding my recent DNMC comment -

The golden ratio = 1.61803399. It's a mathematical concept. So, if it's a 800 x 494 crop (or something very close to that ratio) it meets the challenge.

That's just the ratio between the width and height - you could have other elements that fit that ratio in the picture, and for me that would be good enough as far as the challenge is concerned.

A common one would be the distance of a key element from the left to the distance from the right (or from top and bottom). To me it's quite similar to the rule of thirds (with the rule of thirds being a rule of thumb approximation of the golden ratio).

But obviously there are different interpretations, and that's fine.

11/09/2011 09:55:13 AM · #38

Originally posted by jagar:

I used the overlay and still got a DNMC comment and a 4 :(

Much of the voting public did not do their homework, based on the plurality of the entries showing a disregard for the challenge description. Also, there may have been some misunderstanding or misinterpretation amongst help groups. Sometimes, groupthink can sink the ship.

11/09/2011 09:56:17 AM · #39

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:
The overlay. I would encourage people to look at it and use it if necessary.

Great. If an entry does not line up right on the crosshairs, it's DNMC.

I did not say that. I say get a visual idea of the concept and, if necessary, use the overlay.
A square crop clearly doesn't fit the challenge. It can't!!
For me, anything close to the correct ratio (crop) that looks balanced, does.
And of course the overlay may be flipped, vertically or horizontally. I should have said that.

11/09/2011 09:58:31 AM · #40

Originally posted by bjoern:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Regarding my recent DNMC comment -

The golden ratio = 1.61803399. It's a mathematical concept. So, if it's a 800 x 494 crop (or something very close to that ratio) it meets the challenge.

That's just the ratio between the width and height - you could have other elements that fit that ratio in the picture, and for me that would be good enough as far as the challenge is concerned.

A common one would be the distance of a key element from the left to the distance from the right (or from top and bottom). To me it's quite similar to the rule of thirds (with the rule of thirds being a rule of thumb approximation of the golden ratio).

But obviously there are different interpretations, and that's fine.

Good point. I'll think on that. And no, I haven't voted yet.

MinsoPhoto

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

11/09/2011 10:43:54 AM · #41

Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:

9 votes 6.5556
14 votes 5.4286
19 votes 5.7895
20 votes 5.8000

26 votes 6.0385
27 votes 5.7778 3 comments

FocusPoint

XIAOMI Redmi Note 8 Pro

11/09/2011 10:46:48 AM · #42

Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:

Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
9 votes 6.5556
14 votes 5.4286
19 votes 5.7895
20 votes 5.8000

26 votes 6.0385
27 votes 5.7778 3 comments

Votes: 27
Views: 54
Avg Vote: 5.7778
Comments: 1
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That's amazing !!!

MinsoPhoto

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

11/09/2011 10:48:42 AM · #43

Originally posted by FocusPoint:

Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:

Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
9 votes 6.5556
14 votes 5.4286
19 votes 5.7895
20 votes 5.8000

26 votes 6.0385
27 votes 5.7778 3 comments

Votes: 27
Views: 54
Avg Vote: 5.7778
Comments: 1
Favorites: 0
Wish Lists: 0

That's amazing !!!

My score is bouncing in huge swings but I thought it may. Should be interesting to watch and see where it ends up.

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

11/09/2011 11:20:45 AM · #44

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:

Originally posted by PennyStreet:
The overlay. I would encourage people to look at it and use it if necessary.

Great. If an entry does not line up right on the crosshairs, it's DNMC.

To be visually balanced in a golden rectangle (1:1.618), points of interest need to be place approximately near one or more of the four golden ratio points. (That image can be flipped vertically and horizontally....hence, the four potential points.)

To all you lovely math majors -
take pity on us poor little artist-types who can't wrap our minds around that spiral/ratio.
We tried, oh, we tried, and did our best. So, maybe our spirals are a little ephemeral, and
ratios are not rational, but we tried. Yes, we did.

11/09/2011 11:59:50 AM · #45

Originally posted by sfalice:

...To all you lovely math majors -
take pity on us poor little artist-types who can't wrap our minds around that spiral/ratio.
We tried, oh, we tried, and did our best. So, maybe our spirals are a little ephemeral, and
ratios are not rational, but we tried. Yes, we did.

Okay, no problem. "Tolerance" was my voting style and if I saw even a glimpse of compositional effort related to the challenge description, I ignored the deficits. This is about visual balance based on compositional guidelines. So, art meets math at the golden ratio.

Canon EF 500mm f/4.0L IS USM

11/09/2011 12:03:25 PM · #46

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by sfalice:
...To all you lovely math majors -
take pity on us poor little artist-types who can't wrap our minds around that spiral/ratio.
We tried, oh, we tried, and did our best. So, maybe our spirals are a little ephemeral, and
ratios are not rational, but we tried. Yes, we did.

So, art meets math at the golden ratio.

Definitely... art first, math second, and creativity foremost!
I just don't like getting called a DNMC when I'm not.

Magnumphotography

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

11/09/2011 12:23:02 PM · #47

Votes: 27
Views: 64
Avg Vote: 6.2593
Comments: 3
Favorites: 1

Nice! I totally forgot I entered this image.
So no complaining from me!

MinsoPhoto