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10/03/2011 07:36:52 PM · #1
I know someone must have already asked this question, but for my and others' benefit...

Is editing a single capture with HDR Efex Pro legal in Basic Editing? As far as I know, the program is not creating any additional "copies" (even virtual copies) of the image, but is merely applying the different settings to single image.

The Basic Editing rules were modified a while back, allowing things like Topaz, as long as they were used "reasonably". read HERE

Any sense of how far you can push it without getting a DQ? What's reasonable and what's not? any "real world" examples of either strong HDR in Basic that DID NOT get a DQ, or some that did cross the SC's line and DID get a DQ?

thanks for sharing!

10/03/2011 08:31:26 PM · #2
As far as I know it is legal in basic - just make sure when using the presets that it doesn't apply a vignette.
10/03/2011 08:49:07 PM · #3
I really would like the answer to this also. I think the only way to get a definitive answer
is to send a ticket to the SC. If you do this, would you please post the results to this thread?
10/03/2011 09:10:35 PM · #4
I've certainly done it many times. There's no reason for it to be illegal in principle, it's just a matter of how you use it.

Can it be used illegally? YES. There are tools that apply selective adjustments.

If you don't use any of those tools, is it legal? Probably; but like anything else in our editing rules, if you push it so far that it cinstitutes adding features or new elememnts, that's gonna be a no-no.

R.
10/03/2011 09:15:06 PM · #5
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I've certainly done it many times. There's no reason for it to be illegal in principle, it's just a matter of how you use it.

Can it be used illegally? YES. There are tools that apply selective adjustments.

If you don't use any of those tools, is it legal? Probably; but like anything else in our editing rules, if you push it so far that it cinstitutes adding features or new elememnts, that's gonna be a no-no.

R.


What Bear said :)
10/03/2011 09:25:48 PM · #6
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

I've certainly done it many times. There's no reason for it to be illegal in principle, it's just a matter of how you use it.

Can it be used illegally? YES. There are tools that apply selective adjustments.

If you don't use any of those tools, is it legal? Probably; but like anything else in our editing rules, if you push it so far that it cinstitutes adding features or new elememnts, that's gonna be a no-no.

R.


OK, a little refinement. I am not talking about using any control points available in Efex Pro, and also making sure any vignette is turned off.

the software has a bunch of presets. it has adjustment sliders for exposure/contrast etc. as well as structure, and also allows you to select an HDR "method"

what other "tools" are you referring to?
10/03/2011 09:36:44 PM · #7
Originally posted by mefnj:

OK, a little refinement. I am not talking about using any control points available in Efex Pro, and also making sure any vignette is turned off.

the software has a bunch of presets. it has adjustment sliders for exposure/contrast etc. as well as structure, and also allows you to select an HDR "method"

what other "tools" are you referring to?


That's it for HDR Efex Pro. No control points, no vignettes. If you use a preset, check the vignette slider and zero it if needs be.

In general, with Nik software, you have 3 panels:

1. Global Adjustments
2. Selective adjustments
3. Finishing adjustments

In Basic: You can always use 1, if you don't overdo it. You can never use 2. You can sometimes use 3, be careful. For example, toning is a finishing adjustment in Silver Efex Pro, and it's legal in basic. But the edge darkeners etc are not.

I am typing this in a hurry, but I think I'm remembering the hierarchy right.

R.
10/03/2011 09:41:07 PM · #8
Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mefnj:

OK, a little refinement. I am not talking about using any control points available in Efex Pro, and also making sure any vignette is turned off.

the software has a bunch of presets. it has adjustment sliders for exposure/contrast etc. as well as structure, and also allows you to select an HDR "method"

what other "tools" are you referring to?


That's it for HDR Efex Pro. No control points, no vignettes. If you use a preset, check the vignette slider and zero it if needs be.

In general, with Nik software, you have 3 panels:

1. Global Adjustments
2. Selective adjustments
3. Finishing adjustments

In Basic: You can always use 1, if you don't overdo it. You can never use 2. You can sometimes use 3, be careful. For example, toning is a finishing adjustment in Silver Efex Pro, and it's legal in basic. But the edge darkeners etc are not.

I am typing this in a hurry, but I think I'm remembering the hierarchy right.

R.


So by extension, tone mapping a single image in Photomatix would also be legal, right?
10/03/2011 09:46:40 PM · #9
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

So by extension, tone mapping a single image in Photomatix would also be legal, right?


You bet.

R.
10/03/2011 09:51:27 PM · #10
excellent Bear!

hope this helps others, too.

THANKS!
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