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09/21/2011 09:25:45 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
You are right but for the wrong reasons. You own your commenting space along with the words you indulge into your opinion. So, in this space you may hardly be wrong unless you disagree with yourself.
However, although you aptly see the trees, I do not get the impression that you see the forest. While others may or may not align their vision with your own, expanding your vision may be an option to think about more than whether or not you are right or wrong.
Just my two cents...;-) |
I see, So maybe I should sit back and absorb the whole image, then rub my eyes a little and move in for the close up. Just try to see all aspects of the shot. But will that keep me from noticing things that I might have changed if the shot was mine and I had the ability? |
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09/21/2011 09:39:51 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
I see, So maybe I should sit back and absorb the whole image, then rub my eyes a little and move in for the close up. Just try to see all aspects of the shot. But will that keep me from noticing things that I might have changed if the shot was mine and I had the ability? |
You might have changed some things, and had different issues, or you might have dealt with the same limitations and had the same issue. Or you might have achieved perfection and had a bunch of tactical 1's dropped on your entry. Who knows?
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09/21/2011 09:41:11 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
But will that keep me from noticing things that I might have changed if the shot was mine and I had the ability? |
How will you know until you try different ways of looking at things. Try not doing/writing anything until you have looked at a picture for a full minute (it's a really long time!). Try the opposite -- as soon as a picture loads, type the one single word which pops into your head. Look at a picture and list at least five "positive" and five "negative" aspects. Try writing down how you would describe the picture to someone over the phone. Try combinations of these or other "tricks" and see what happens, and what "works" for you. There is no one "right" way to do any of this, except (in voting) to treat all of the entries consistently.
If you want to try something especially difficult, try to (as randomly as possible) select one of your own challenge entries, and apply any of the above techniques, as if you were seeing it for the first time. |
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09/21/2011 09:54:21 PM · #54 |
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09/21/2011 10:17:01 PM · #55 |
One thing I did for a long time was that prior to voting, I would make a list in my pre-challenge notes of the anticipated critiques. That helped me to see my own shot the way others would. I probably had about a 30% hit rate on my guesses.
Message edited by author 2011-09-21 22:17:11.
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09/22/2011 05:55:04 AM · #56 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
A comment of "does nothing for me" or "too dark" or "good idea" is still a lot more information when compared to 5.5342. |
Agree 100% |
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09/22/2011 08:47:43 AM · #57 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
This is awesome! |
From the ??? Dept.: an assortment of comments from my recent Where's Waldo? entry: ΓΆ€ΒΆ Oh dear this is not good, but I guess you will be told.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ interesting, aggressive, modern and random- love the colors, a great shot in my book.
ΓΆ€ΒΆ Can't see Waldo for the HDR
ΓΆ€ΒΆ lower right. interesting shot
(Note: there is no HDR processing involved, and the processing is the only thing which made Waldo visible at all -- see (if you can) the unprocessed original.) |
"interesting, aggressive, modern and random- love the colors, a great shot in my book." this was my comment. I can break it down.
1. Interesting- I thought I looked at a lot of landscapes and cityscapes with a dot hidden person and I though this was a unique refreshing take on the challenge.
2. Aggressive- It was a bold entry, perhaps that was a better word, with pictures of red tail lights and traffic- kind of a keyed up night rush hour aggro feel.
3. Modern and random- the elements of traffic and power lines in a semi rural setting give me a modern feel and there is a randomness to the composition that implies chaos. if one goal of photography is to "pull order out of chaos" - you have achieved it.
4. love the colors- good selection, trying to indicate I liked the color scheme.
5. "a great shot in my book" - this is a bit loaded. It implies the general dpc'er, hell bent on the wow factor and less on the photographic aesthetic factor, may not appreciate and give it a good score- but I did, and you should know that, and seek out the praise of the illuminated(me) rather than the adulation of the feckless masses.
I have no time to write all that on every shot- and I'm sorry for my own apparently indecipherable code -I stand by my comment as 1 Billion times better than - "the power lines are out of focus and you should have respected the rule of thirds." Based upon all the challenges you have entered and all the considerable experience you have- I didn't know it was your shot but I figured correctly that you neither wanted nor need the comment regarding the technical aspects of the shot- correct? |
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09/22/2011 12:14:20 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
I see, So maybe I should sit back and absorb the whole image, then rub my eyes a little and move in for the close up. Just try to see all aspects of the shot. But will that keep me from noticing things that I might have changed if the shot was mine and I had the ability? |
Well, some truths of an image remain a secret until you open and experience the image like a lover to the soul. Other times, the truth of an image may be so obvious that that secret remains forever hidden...;-)
My suggestion holds that you experiment and find an image to experience beyond the realm of the two dimensional detail.
Remember though, an image is like an invitation and no matter how you (as the viewer) RSVP in your comments, you are not the host, but rather the guest...;-) |
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09/22/2011 12:25:54 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Remember though, an image is like an invitation and no matter how you (as the viewer) RSVP in your comments, you are not the host, but rather the guest...;-) |
oooh!! Nice little gem! |
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09/22/2011 12:46:33 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Remember though, an image is like an invitation and no matter how you (as the viewer) RSVP in your comments, you are not the host, but rather the guest...;-) |
Wow, that's pretty deep and emotional. It is obvious your passion for this is strong; I am questioning if I am looking at these images too long and noticing things that others might not notice.
If I went to a party of yours and it was an elaborate party, but at one point you ran out of ice, would you want me to tell you, so you realize for next time how much ice you need, or should I say, "Hey, Great party! Don't change a thing"?
Originally posted by yakatme:
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
But as I review some of my comments, particularly on the shots that do well, I feel like a idiot because no one else commented on what I found and all the other comments are to the effect of "This is awesome!" |
As I pointed out in our PM exchange in which you critiqued my recent yellow ribbon image, you found a problem that no one else (other than my son) saw. While some things are so obvious that they are duplicated by multiple commenters, it's what others don't see and pointed out once that are sometimes the most valuable observations. |
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09/22/2011 12:58:28 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Remember though, an image is like an invitation and no matter how you (as the viewer) RSVP in your comments, you are not the host, but rather the guest...;-) |
Wow, that's pretty deep and emotional. It is obvious your passion for this is strong; I am questioning if I am looking at these images too long and noticing things that others might not notice.
If I went to a party of yours and it was an elaborate party, but at one point you ran out of ice, would you want me to tell you, so you realize for next time how much ice you need, or should I say, "Hey, Great party! Don't change a thing"?
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Sure, but there's a limit, telling me I'm out of ice is being helpful. However, if you taste the food and tell me how much better the stew would be if I had added a pinch of this or a pinch of that, you've going from the guestlist to the blacklist.
Message edited by author 2011-09-22 12:59:34. |
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09/22/2011 01:07:44 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Remember though, an image is like an invitation and no matter how you (as the viewer) RSVP in your comments, you are not the host, but rather the guest...;-) |
Wow, that's pretty deep and emotional. It is obvious your passion for this is strong; I am questioning if I am looking at these images too long and noticing things that others might not notice.
If I went to a party of yours and it was an elaborate party, but at one point you ran out of ice, would you want me to tell you, so you realize for next time how much ice you need, or should I say, "Hey, Great party! Don't change a thing"?
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Sure, but there's a limit, telling me I'm out of ice is being helpful. However, if you taste the food and tell me how much better the stew would be if I had added a pinch of this or a pinch of that, you've going from the guestlist to the blacklist. |
I took it as a "try to be helpful" statement. If you're a guest, you'd say: "I'm not sure if you realize it, but you're out of ice". You wouldn't say (well, hopefully you wouldn't say...): "When you throw a party, you should always consider the amount of ice you need, multiply it by four, and divide by the square root of pi. If you do anything else, then you're a lousy host!"
Perhaps the person wanted to run out of ice at this point so that people would stop drinking early?
Regarding your original question, since we seem to be getting silly now:
If you're looking at the images to find flaws, and come up with suggestions of how to make it better, you may be looking too deep and missing the photographers point. If you're looking to enjoy the photography, take what you can away from it, but notice something that bothers you, then it's an extremely valid comment. Just because there's a technical flaw, doesn't mean that it is a problem in the photograph. Sometimes it works well that way. Sometimes it stands out like a sore thumb and ruins the photograph. Sometimes it's somewhere in between.
Look at the photograph first, see if it works. If it doesn't, definitely figure out (in your opinion) what would have made it better and comment on it! Those are the comments that I find extremely helpful. Sometimes I'll agree. Even if I don't agree, I appreciate the knowing person's point of view. |
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09/22/2011 01:13:40 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
If you're looking at the images to find flaws, and come up with suggestions of how to make it better, you may be looking too deep and missing the photographers point. If you're looking to enjoy the photography, take what you can away from it, but notice something that bothers you, then it's an extremely valid comment. Just because there's a technical flaw, doesn't mean that it is a problem in the photograph. Sometimes it works well that way. Sometimes it stands out like a sore thumb and ruins the photograph. Sometimes it's somewhere in between.
Look at the photograph first, see if it works. If it doesn't, definitely figure out (in your opinion) what would have made it better and comment on it! Those are the comments that I find extremely helpful. Sometimes I'll agree. Even if I don't agree, I appreciate the knowing person's point of view. |
Well stated. |
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09/22/2011 01:14:10 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
"interesting, aggressive, modern and random- love the colors, a great shot in my book." this was my comment. I can break it down. |
I understood your comment much as you describe it -- I was just amused that the first two comments received were "Oh dear!" and "Great shot!" I don't care that much whether people are inspired or horrified by what they see, as long as they are forced to take notice and have some kind of reaction. To me an "ideal" photo would score about 5 with an inverted bell curve, where people either love it or hate it, but no one is neutral. (I suppose getting all 9s and 10s would be OK too, but is far, far less likely.)
I found your comment concise and informative -- can't ask for more than that. Thanks. :-) |
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09/22/2011 01:38:37 PM · #65 |
I can see this is going no where.
I'll continue to comment "my way" since most people find them helpful. If you don't like it, well that is just my opinion. But as long as I keep getting the RSVP I will continue to sneak out back and have my way with "your soul"...
As Art would say "This is Awesome"... |
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09/22/2011 01:44:41 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
I can see this is going no where.
I'll continue to comment "my way" since most people find them helpful. If you don't like it, well that is just my opinion. But as long as I keep getting the RSVP I will continue to sneak out back and have my way with "your soul"...
As Art would say "This is Awesome"... |
Let's get a thread going on trying to change the "this comment was helpful button" into something else- because if you are complementing people, its not really helpful- or if its too critical, maybe the photog doesn't check the box out of spite!
that should start a riot. |
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09/22/2011 01:45:00 PM · #67 |
Maybe I should have stated, many of my comments are "fluffy", you know, the not very helpful "wow, this is cool" type.
However, when I do happen to spot something that I think would improve the image, I mention it.
Edited for spelling
Message edited by author 2011-09-22 13:46:11. |
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09/22/2011 02:19:36 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by K10DGuy:
Hello. I am making a point on commenting on the photos that I rated a 2 or 3 in this challenge.
I gave this image a 2 for the following:
There are far too many reasons. If you truly wish some constructive criticism on this photo when the challenge is over, contact me via PM. |
probably the best comment I have ever seen. |
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09/22/2011 02:27:15 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by sinistral_leo:
I am questioning if I am looking at these images too long and noticing things that others might not notice. |
When does an image have "Too Many Notes" or when is an image like hearing "The Voice of God"?
Once again, you are right! Simply because no one else has the power to answer this question for you, but you...;-)
Good Luck!
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09/22/2011 02:44:51 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Let's get a thread going on trying to change the "this comment was helpful button" into something else- because if you are complementing people, its not really helpful- or if its too critical, maybe the photog doesn't check the box out of spite!
that should start a riot. |
I hereby reserve the right to spam this image in forums as needed, even though it's already on my profile. :)
Message edited by author 2011-09-22 14:46:10. |
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09/22/2011 02:46:21 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by adigitalromance:
I reserve the right to spam this image in forums as needed, even though it's already on my profile. :)
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I remember seeing this and I was currently trying to remember where I saw it, so I could steal it... LOL |
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