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08/03/2011 02:20:23 PM · #51 |
Well then, at some point, the OP's own feet are just going to get happy in the same shoes in which they are not.
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08/03/2011 02:31:30 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by hihosilver:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
His reality is that he is far above average and an above average score is still an insult. |
Well, the OP never said what he thought his photo was actually worth...or on what basis he felt his own photo should be weighed and assessed.
Your version of his reality is an assumption made and I confess that I'm missing the connection.
My average vote given is 6.5...but I vote much much higher than what I truly think the average photo of this site is worth. |
he did say, though, in the his second or third post, that he thought is was a 6, or would have given it a 6 or something like that. (he connected his photo with a "6" somehow)
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 14:32:26. |
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08/03/2011 02:35:32 PM · #53 |
Beyond my earlier trolling, I honestly think this discussion (in regards to perceptual worth of a photo vs. its acutal score) is an important one for members of this community.
I know it has probably been dragged through the mud once or twice (almost any discussion has).
However, these discussions and the photos that create them are very education for me, and mayhaps some of the newer folk. The debate is simple. What is a good photo (per the DPC public opinion), What is a bad photo (per the DPC public opinion), and where do my photos sit on this metric both in quality and applicability to the subject matter?
If my opinion of my photo's is too low, so high votes might put my esteem where it should be. If my opinion of my work is too high--well a couple 4.0 scores forces me to look at what is poor in my shots compared to ther similar ones. Now, the issue with this gentlemen is that he wants to go on the warpath in regards to his photos perceived quality and it's site stamped quality. This is especially compounded as his average vote for other images on the site is so low. THIS DOES MATTER imho, because it shows an inequality within his own mind regarding his own work, which I only state because the way I view other people's work will certainly reflect on mine.
Either way, it is time to hit the books again, and try some different techniques when I get a poor score that is not related directly to a DNMC. If I view it any other way then I am discounting what everyone on this site says, and then, why be a member????
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08/03/2011 02:40:52 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by crowis:
Either way, it is time to hit the books again, and try some different techniques when I get a poor score that is not related directly to a DNMC. |
A poor score doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; it just means you're doing something unpopular. Who are you trying to please? |
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08/03/2011 02:46:08 PM · #55 |
interesting! great comments here and during voting. I'm in the same league as you although I strike 3 of the 5 senses with hidden line of sight compo. You're so lucky to receive numbers of great advices that hard to come by sometime. I think the reason you ended a step below me because you received 7 1s. Probably the 7 voters really not impress at all of your effort or maybe they think it's such a waste you can do it better but missed it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm one of 14s to give you 7 because I like the subject of human for 5 senses. I can't tell much about "photo underrated" but I hope I can give you some point of my opinion. You have to respect dbose opinion because he's trying to help you. It's very true the shadow spoil this photo. If you want to get your message across clearly about the foot, here is my opinion of simple compo (50kb)...
sorry for OOT, the ori pix is more than 300kb, is that member enjoy higher resolution pix?
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08/03/2011 02:47:00 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by bvy:
A poor score doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; it just means you're doing something unpopular. Who are you trying to please? |
+1
It is up to the individual to figure out if their entry was poor or just unpopular. Depends on what you are aiming for and your personal criteria. I can point out many low rated entries that were total successes and also some decently rated photos that were not.
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08/03/2011 02:47:38 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by karmat:
he did say, though, in the his second or third post, that he thought is was a 6, or would have given it a 6 or something like that. (he connected his photo with a "6" somehow) |
Mmmmmm...your right! I missed that...thanks...;-)
But, I'm still not getting the logic of Steve's point though...oh well...;-)
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 15:02:30. |
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08/03/2011 03:08:48 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by crowis:
Either way, it is time to hit the books again, and try some different techniques when I get a poor score that is not related directly to a DNMC. |
A poor score doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; it just means you're doing something unpopular. Who are you trying to please? |
Me. And since I want to create photographs that score well on this site as a means of learning "popular photgraphy" then I will hit the books and learn what I did incorrectly and try to improve my score on this site. If I were just trying to please me I wouldn't bother to be on a site like this, nor worry about showing anyone any of my photography. Who are you trying to kid with the counter-culture attitude. It is a funny thing when folks join a competition site, then immediately discount the value of the competition and judgments there within. Why not post you stuff on a photo sharing website or FB and not worry about the vagaries involved with a site like this? It begins to reek of sour grapes if said too much. BTW, I know you have a ribbon out there and some really nice shots, congratz on those, I just don't like the "outsider" attitude when we as photog's are already considered a bit rogue. This is supposed to be a place for people in a niche community to be "insiders" for a bit.
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 15:14:26.
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08/03/2011 03:24:28 PM · #59 |
| i think the OP came off a bit brash in expecting others to "like" his work. he would have been much better served to kindly ask why it scored low and not to demand an explanation. |
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08/03/2011 03:26:45 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by crowis:
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by crowis:
Either way, it is time to hit the books again, and try some different techniques when I get a poor score that is not related directly to a DNMC. |
A poor score doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; it just means you're doing something unpopular. Who are you trying to please? |
Me. |
This is my thoughts as well, and pleasing myself in a public photo competition based forum entails scoring well, even earning a ribbon one day.
If we are trying to sell our work, or dare I dream it, art, to the public, them their opinions matter, perhaps with some grains of salt to ease the burn.
Or one can always turn to the style of those who seek fame after they have departed, I think there is a name for those types... ;) |
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08/03/2011 03:31:58 PM · #61 |
I was capable of giving a serious answer, but didn't.
Seriously, what does it matter what your score is? Are you trying to make yourself feel better about your photography and art by seeing if it is popular?
People were trying to say, politely, without coming out and saying it, that it is rude and selfish and unwarranted to say hey, my shot was well above average, when you gave such low ratings yourself; it may not be a flawed argument in terms of logical perspective of the speaker,( because you would necessarily have to have thought that your shot was better than your own judging average to be above average- we get it) but it doesn't make the photographer any more likable, or the photo any better. Sounds like a self centered frivolous complaint. Perhaps it would be better to approach the situation from one of two other, more socially accepted forms of postings:
1: come form the perspective of - man I thought it would do better- ask people how to make that happen, or
2: complain in general about what is popular- and rail against the fact that there are too many cookie cutter technically brilliant but artistically lacking entries.
just ideas.
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 15:34:38. |
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08/03/2011 03:35:46 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by crowis:
... If I were just trying to please me I wouldn't bother to be on a site like this, nor worry about showing anyone any of my photography. Who are you trying to kid with the counter-culture attitude. It is a funny thing when folks join a competition site, then immediately discount the value of the competition and judgments there within. Why not post you stuff on a photo sharing website or FB and not worry about the vagaries involved with a site like this? It begins to reek of sour grapes if said too much. BTW, I know you have a ribbon out there and some really nice shots, congratz on those, I just don't like the "outsider" attitude when we as photog's are already considered a bit rogue. This is supposed to be a place for people in a niche community to be "insiders" for a bit. |
Woowee! It surely IS scary being "a bit rogue." Come to the arms of DPC that we may succor thee. |
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08/03/2011 03:40:00 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by crowis:
Originally posted by bvy:
Originally posted by crowis:
Either way, it is time to hit the books again, and try some different techniques when I get a poor score that is not related directly to a DNMC. |
A poor score doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong; it just means you're doing something unpopular. Who are you trying to please? |
Me. And since I want to create photographs that score well on this site as a means of learning "popular photgraphy" then I will hit the books and learn what I did incorrectly and try to improve my score on this site. If I were just trying to please me I wouldn't bother to be on a site like this, nor worry about showing anyone any of my photography... |
The value of a site like this one goes in a few different directions other than a score...some people weigh success on comments and favs and if even one of my images connects with only one person whom I respect than that far outweighs a popular score or even a ribbon.
The value of this site offers multiple options and we all create our own experience. |
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08/03/2011 04:11:30 PM · #64 |
Daniel, if you are disappointed in your score and don't understand why it scored so poorly, it might be better to just ask politely for the opinions of the members. There are a lot of wonderful and generous members here who would be happy to help explain why they thought it scored as it did and would be willing to show how a different crop and/or PP might have helped improve your score.
For what it's worth, I played around with your image and maybe some other edit would have scored higher. But then again, maybe not if feet just don't appeal to the voters. Even before a challenge you can ask if one or more members would be willing to look at your image and suggest improvements or tell you whether they think it will score well for you.
 
Good luck with your next entry! |
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08/03/2011 04:20:44 PM · #65 |
The bottom line is that site voting reflects popular tastes. Images with broader appeal will always do better than those that use experimental techniques, unusual subjects, and quirky processing. This does not necessarily mean that the latter are not good images; besides, such images have a fervent following which awards photogs with its own set of bling. In addition, low scores have little bearing on how we value the photographers that receive them. The images of some of the most respected photographers on this site usually end up way below the 50% rank, and often in the bottom 10.
It is to the detriment of the OP's sensitivities that his style appears to lean more towards the latter when he clearly wishes his image be accepted by the former.
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 16:21:25. |
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08/03/2011 04:25:58 PM · #66 |
I am sure he appreiciates the edits being made on this photo - but you know the saying - you can photoshop a turd, but its still a turd.
For the record, I would of given this a 3 or 4. |
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08/03/2011 04:43:01 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Simms:
you can photoshop a turd, but its still a turd.
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I'd have to agree. I don't think any of the edits would make me raise my vote even a point.
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08/03/2011 05:32:21 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I am sure he appreiciates the edits being made on this photo - but you know the saying - you can photoshop a turd, but its still a turd.
For the record, I would of given this a 3 or 4. |
Even if I heavily saturate it??? : (
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08/03/2011 05:36:31 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by Simms:
I am sure he appreiciates the edits being made on this photo - but you know the saying - you can photoshop a turd, but its still a turd.
For the record, I would of given this a 3 or 4. |
 Simmsand I have had differences of opinion over a variety of subject but I must agree that I wholeheartedly agree with him in this regard. :O)
Ray |
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08/03/2011 05:58:23 PM · #70 |
I didn't vote in this challenge, but this would likely have got a Ho Hum, Neither Great Nor Terrible 5 score from me on a first pass thru. It is a moderately fun image that does not demand much attention, nor needs it. It is not a "wow" image in either a positive or negative way ("wow, that is great!" or "wow, what was s/he thinking?"). It has no huge technical flaws, but it doesn't demonstrate technical excellence either. So it would have received a generous 5 because it didn't demand much attention, didn't get it, and I didn't look deeper into it.
However, the posted invitation to scrutinize this image further causes me to consider it a 4: studying this image doesn't yield any findings worthy of an increased score. There are some things that could make it a bit better, perhaps, but the OP has made it clear that he is just angry and defensive, does not really want to hear any of that sort of thing.
But the posted arrogant, whining, complaining comments by the photographer, and the indirect slamming of other images in the challenge, plus the defensive and argumentative responses to constructive critiques and comments all combine to attach a lot of negativity to the whole experience--the image now feels like a 3 to me, and the experience of viewing it in concert with the photographer's comments and responses is a solid 1, only because the scale does not go below zero.
The OP missed an opportunity for learning and discovery, and instead made the whole thing a much more negative event than it was before.
And, I give myself a 1 for spending time in another whiny thread. My bad.
Message edited by author 2011-08-03 19:15:36. |
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08/03/2011 06:28:54 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by chromeydome:
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And, I give myself a 1 for spending time in another whiny thread. My bad. |
Me too. Ah well, a little piss and vinegar for the whine. |
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08/03/2011 06:34:22 PM · #72 |
| Had I not spent time on this thread I would have missed that brilliant post, chromey. Nice one. |
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08/03/2011 06:45:52 PM · #73 |
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08/03/2011 06:52:49 PM · #74 |
| I totally understand Daniele : I'm also a genius but nobody understand me. I might cut my hear soon... |
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08/03/2011 06:58:11 PM · #75 |
| If you can't accept people voting honestly why bother entering these competitions at all? And if you believe everyone should have the same taste as your or else they're wrong you might as well give every photo you take a rating, and then not bother entering at all since obviously your assessment of the image is the only one that matters, no? |
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