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12/15/2009 10:13:28 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by albc28: Originally posted by TCGuru:
I would say that is the biggest difference of all and a mighty important one. |
Why is it such an important difference? The same thing could have happened and could have been worse. She ask me out and I said no...probably could have been worse. Why is it okay for the model to ask the photographer out and not the reverse? |
they are the prettier ones. |
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12/15/2009 10:36:51 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by zxaar: Originally posted by albc28: Originally posted by TCGuru:
I would say that is the biggest difference of all and a mighty important one. |
Why is it such an important difference? The same thing could have happened and could have been worse. She ask me out and I said no...probably could have been worse. Why is it okay for the model to ask the photographer out and not the reverse? |
they are the prettier ones. |
haha...that all depends on the style you are shooting. how do you know I'm not pretty?? |
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12/15/2009 11:42:29 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by albc28:
Why is it such an important difference? The same thing could have happened and could have been worse. She ask me out and I said no...probably could have been worse. Why is it okay for the model to ask the photographer out and not the reverse? |
Because if you hired him/her then they may begin to think that's all you were after. We do, after all, choose models because of the way they look. If they, on the other hand, ask you out... well, that means that they like you. Maybe for the way you look and maybe for your unique style but either way, they didn't choose you to begin with based on looks.
I feel pretty, oh so pretty... :)
It's the photographer/client relationship.
There is a reason for that old saying, "Don't mix business with pleasure."
Message edited by author 2009-12-15 11:42:42. |
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12/15/2009 11:45:21 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by albc28:
haha...that all depends on the style you are shooting. how do you know I'm not pretty?? |
I don't know about you... but I have MozillaFF and can see your photo in the margins :)
He didn't say you weren't pretty, just that generally our models are prettier than we are ;) |
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12/15/2009 01:26:46 PM · #55 |
The initial asking out... I can tell you the absolute best way to ask a model out without the fear of ruining a relationship while at the same time getting to know them away from the camera.
Buy them lunch/supper. Many times I have taken models to eat. I shoot mostly for the fun of it, no clients no money. So in my appreciation I sometimes take the models out to get food. Everyone eats ya know. This creates a non-hostile, non-romantic way to get to know the person. Talk shop, talk personal it does not really matter. If they say no they say no, not a big deal it was just offer for meal. If there are two models take them both.
It really does help, specially if you work with other people, go out as a group. I think this really allows people to bond outside of the 'work' environment. If you click, this is where it will happen. Don't push the matter or even chase it. Allow it to happen in a comfortable arena.
After a long day of shooting, a nice meal is almost always welcome. Even if you cook it yourself. Though making it yourself has a higher risk of failure. I assume this because of the more intimate setting, I have yet to cook for a model. Though I have yet to have the desire to want to date any either. Sure they are good lookin but when Im working I am disconnected from any physical attraction.
Funny story, I was doing a shoot for part of a nude structure series I am working on. I was looking at lighting on the models skin, trying to find the specific spot I wanted to highlight/shadow the area I was looking at, to pull out the form, line and sculpt of the model. After a while of looking at the light and talking with my inner voice to myself I realized to anyone else in the room it may have looked like I was staring and mindlocked right at the models nana. L()L I shook my head and had to laugh about it. Thankfully the model is a sweetheart and knows a lot about the photography side and knew I wasn't. But it was funny just the same. Tell the truth I couldn't tell you today what her nana looked like I never did notice it L()L.
Anyway, point is, for me when I shoot, I do not readily notice the physical beauty of a model in a romantic sense. Sure I know they are great looking, but when I want someone to be with, it goes more towards their personalities. Yet, I know the distinction between camera flirting and life flirting. Or maybe I don't, could be a good reason I am single and have been for a really... really.... really long time.
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12/15/2009 02:02:06 PM · #56 |
nana ? is that a body part ? |
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12/15/2009 02:03:38 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by littlegett: Sure they are good lookin but when Im working I am disconnected from any physical attraction.
Funny story, I was doing a shoot for part of a nude structure series I am working on. I was looking at lighting on the models skin, trying to find the specific spot I wanted to highlight/shadow the area I was looking at, to pull out the form, line and sculpt of the model. After a while of looking at the light and talking with my inner voice to myself I realized to anyone else in the room it may have looked like I was staring and mindlocked right at the models nana. L()L I shook my head and had to laugh about it. Thankfully the model is a sweetheart and knows a lot about the photography side and knew I wasn't. But it was funny just the same. Tell the truth I couldn't tell you today what her nana looked like I never did notice it L()L.
Anyway, point is, for me when I shoot, I do not readily notice the physical beauty of a model in a romantic sense. Sure I know they are great looking, but when I want someone to be with, it goes more towards their personalities. Yet, I know the distinction between camera flirting and life flirting. |
Sadly most times I'm the same way. I know she's good looking for the shoot I want and I know what makes her hot for the camera, but most times I'm so disconnected emotionally that I have no clue how hot she is. I mean of course I notice when her eyes look really good or when her butt is shaped right, but it's not in a sense of "oh I'm really attracted to that" it's more of "oh wait, that's a great pose, you look great...DON'T MOVE!". Most times I find the physical attraction comes during the editing process. I find how hot the model really is...probably because I'm staring at her EVERY DAY searching for ways to make her even better looking than she already is.
There have only been few instances where I've found a model to be hot and her personality matched where I wanted to cross the line, but it was usually pre-shoot that it flashed (while we were talking and BSing while she's getting ready) or after the shoot while talking and hanging out. |
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12/15/2009 02:07:29 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by ralph: nana ? is that a body part ? | For mixed company yes.
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12/15/2009 02:27:43 PM · #59 |
IMO dating models hasn't worried two of our greatest photoographers. David Bailey and Bob Carlos Clark.
Baileys affair both professional and private with with models especially with Jean (the Shrimp) Shrimpton) are well documented and didnt do any of them any harm, more the opposite.
Carlos Clarke was happily married for over 20years to an ex model of his.
You date who you are attracted to other professionals date each other no different to photographers, I myself have in fact I am today going out with an ex model for lunch. She also happens to be my new next door neighbor also
Message edited by author 2009-12-15 14:28:30.
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12/15/2009 06:42:55 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by TCGuru: Originally posted by albc28:
haha...that all depends on the style you are shooting. how do you know I'm not pretty?? |
I don't know about you... but I have MozillaFF and can see your photo in the margins :)
He didn't say you weren't pretty, just that generally our models are prettier than we are ;) |
i think he got the joke and you didn't. :-D |
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12/15/2009 06:50:25 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by zxaar: Originally posted by TCGuru: Originally posted by albc28:
haha...that all depends on the style you are shooting. how do you know I'm not pretty?? |
I don't know about you... but I have MozillaFF and can see your photo in the margins :)
He didn't say you weren't pretty, just that generally our models are prettier than we are ;) |
i think he got the joke and you didn't. :-D |
No... I got it :P |
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12/15/2009 06:58:22 PM · #62 |
Nana. nana nana. hey hey. goodbye.
Hmmm... kinda takes on a sadder meaning. |
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12/15/2009 07:52:25 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by kiwinick: IMO dating models hasn't worried two of our greatest photoographers. David Bailey and Bob Carlos Clark.
Baileys affair both professional and private with with models especially with Jean (the Shrimp) Shrimpton) are well documented and didnt do any of them any harm, more the opposite.
Carlos Clarke was happily married for over 20years to an ex model of his.
You date who you are attracted to other professionals date each other no different to photographers, I myself have in fact I am today going out with an ex model for lunch. She also happens to be my new next door neighbor also |
Uhmm don't forget, they didn't call it the Swinging Sixties for nuthin'. Anything and everything went back then. So Bailey and the Shrimp had the tide in their favour.
If indeed your neighbour is a former model, then great! She should have some idea as to lighting etc and should make a great subject. Hope you have a great lunch.
Note: noticed that I have a harder time modelling these days, esp when doing self-portraits...thinking too much like a photog, trying to transition over to model tricky. A bit easier if I am definitely in more of a model mode for another photog so I don't have to think about the technicals, just find my light and do my stuff :-0
Message edited by author 2009-12-15 19:56:28. |
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12/15/2009 08:32:30 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by littlegett: The initial asking out... I can tell you the absolute best way to ask a model out without the fear of ruining a relationship while at the same time getting to know them away from the camera.
Buy them lunch/supper. |
That's the best way to get to know someone whether you're interested in a romantic relationship or just a friendship. And if you're looking for a relationship, the other person will be a lot more comfortable with "I'm going out to dinner tomorrow with a couple friends, you wanna come along?" than "You wanna go out sometime?" Plus, they'll get to know the real you in a normal setting, and if it doesn't work out romantically, her saying yes to your proposal will probably lead to a friendship. It's win-win in most cases, and if she doesn't wanna go out a second or third time, you can still work together. No awkwardness there unless your friends are awkward. |
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07/12/2011 05:12:43 AM · #65 |
Like they say, it's all about the reputation you want.
Did Casanova(1725-1798) have a bad reputation?
Depends. |
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07/12/2011 09:05:31 AM · #66 |
his habit of "dating" models may have helped OR harmed terry richardsons career... i think a lot of it depends on who you ask (personally - NOT a fan in any way).
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07/12/2011 09:53:09 AM · #67 |
I think it worked out pretty well for me :)
My model/gf
There is a huge difference between dating models and trying to f*&% every model that crosses your path.
Message edited by author 2011-07-12 09:55:01.
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07/12/2011 10:06:09 AM · #68 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever: I think it worked out pretty well for me :)
My model/gf
There is a huge difference between dating models and trying to f*&% every model that crosses your path. |
I know you created a fake acct, to resurrect this zombie thread just so you could show off.
;) |
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07/12/2011 10:48:38 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
I know you created a fake acct, to resurrect this zombie thread just so you could show off.
;) |
Nah, but I do pounce on opportunities :)
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07/12/2011 12:16:08 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever: Originally posted by Spork99:
I know you created a fake acct, to resurrect this zombie thread just so you could show off.
;) |
Nah, but I do pounce on opportunities :) |
So it would seem.... Nice looking opportunity BTW.. ;) |
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07/12/2011 01:37:31 PM · #71 |
To my way of thinking asking out a model, or a MUA or the kraft food service person has to do with money and power. If the person being asked might think that no more work and money will come their way if they say no to a sexual advance, then it is an abuse of position. If both the photographer and model happen to meet on the street, or are hired by an art director and are individual contractors who may never see each other again, then it is a level playing field, and it is not a violation of ethics.
The use of a camera as an opening to spark up a conversation and getting to spend some time with a person you are attracted to is very different than hiring a person, telling them what to wear and how to stand and behave for a certain amount of time, then asking them on a date. If the person you are asking can loose too much by saying no, you shouldn't ask. |
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07/12/2011 02:04:23 PM · #72 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever: I think it worked out pretty well for me :)
My model/gf
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did you get permission or a license to use those symbols...
;-)
Message edited by author 2011-07-12 14:05:11. |
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