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 05/26/2011 08:04:53 AM · #26
I was told recently you should always shot in RAW and then you will have that file to send to SC when requested.
I,m so sorry if this doesn,t work out for you and you get DQed.

Message edited by author 2011-05-26 08:05:36.
 05/26/2011 08:49:03 AM · #27
This won't be of any help now, but it is a good idea to have a few flashcards, so that the ones with challenge entries on them can be set aside until the challenge is over. Only then do you erase and reuse them. That way you are covered if something goes wrong with the file that is on the computer.
 05/26/2011 09:05:21 AM · #28
I hope everything works out for you. Your photo is just too good to give up yet!!

On a side note...now I'm paranoid. Does Canon's EOS Utility change files when it downloads from the camera onto your MAC? I may have to change my process just to be sure, but I do shoot RAW and I do keep the originals on the card until after the challenge. Any Canon experts?
 05/26/2011 09:05:37 AM · #29
Originally posted by dswann:
I use Photoshop Elements 6, and it include Adobe Photo Downloader to get the files from the camera and import them into the Elements Organizer. It also creates a folder for the photos (named by date usually) and stores the files on your hard drive (or wherever you have designated). If you are shooting RAW files, then you have no worries - this file is OK for validation. However, if you shoot jpegs only, then the file's EXIF data is tagged by the downloader, making them invalid as originals. When I first joined the site, I sent in a jpeg file to the SC as a test and they replied that it would be invalid. I don't know of a way to strip the tag from the EXIF after the fact.

If you use the downloader to import the photos, you must then use Explorer to browse to the camera and copy the original file directly to a separate folder. That is the file to send in for validation. Do not open or resave this file. Use the copy that was imported by the downloader as your copy for editing.

I assume that later versions of Elements behave in the same manner.


I too have Elements (8), What I learned the hard way (Dq'd) is to always make at least 2 copies but I haven't had a problem since I've changed my method of downloading on 2 different drives of the "original files" one set is NEVER touched and is always my "backup". I NEVER let the computer transfer directly to ANY editing software that I am am using, because you just never know what "it's" doing to your files. And I have switched from JPEG to RAW only (added insurance) not to mention the amazing work that you can do with a RAW file vs the JPEG files. (I actually have 3, call me paranoid)

The hard part about this is that you don't KNOW what is going on in the BG of the computer to your files. It very unfortunate that this has happened to you. But try a recovery program...got nothing to loose...Soooo sorry this has happened. The good news is...if you can ribbon once, you can ribbon again!!!
 05/26/2011 09:25:50 AM · #30
Originally posted by bergiekat:
On a side note...now I'm paranoid. Does Canon's EOS Utility change files when it downloads from the camera onto your MAC? I may have to change my process just to be sure, but I do shoot RAW and I do keep the originals on the card until after the challenge. Any Canon experts?

I don't use the EOS utility, but I think it very well might modify the Exif. Just use a card reader, they are cheap.
 05/26/2011 09:31:14 AM · #31
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by bergiekat:
On a side note...now I'm paranoid. Does Canon's EOS Utility change files when it downloads from the camera onto your MAC? I may have to change my process just to be sure, but I do shoot RAW and I do keep the originals on the card until after the challenge. Any Canon experts?

I don't use the EOS utility, but I think it very well might modify the Exif. Just use a card reader, they are cheap.


As far as I know, you're always safe with RAW.
 05/26/2011 09:50:37 AM · #32
Originally posted by Melethia:
Before you give up, try to recover the original from the card. There are some good recovery programs that can get files off of a card even if you've erased them.


And don't forget to let the SC know that you are trying to recover the file from the card. They often give extra time for validation if you give them a heads up.

Tim
 05/26/2011 11:54:55 AM · #33
I am overwhelmed by the outpour of helpfulness from all of you!! Thank you so much for all the wonderful ideas! I can shoot in raw with this camera and should have, but the files are HUGE and I am not sure that the server would allow me to upload them without timing out?! I have taken many pics on this, the same card since the challenge started. I take pics almost every day...sort of an addiction! So I will be DQ, well that is ok because I cannot change it now and I did make it to the top 5. What more could I ask for....

Message edited by author 2011-05-26 11:55:08.
 05/26/2011 12:07:16 PM · #34
Think you will find that most folks shot in RAW here with large file sizes and upload ok.
You must be feeling pretty sick, but don,t forget that you where voted into second so that,s how good your shot was.
 05/26/2011 12:15:10 PM · #35
I would be sick if I finally got a ribbon only to have a DQ like this ! I can see if I was cheating by cloning or something...but to be DQd for something I could have prevented would make me crazy !

Oh well, I'll let DrAchoo know about his new ribbon !

Originally posted by antje1777:
I am overwhelmed by the outpour of helpfulness from all of you!! Thank you so much for all the wonderful ideas! I can shoot in raw with this camera and should have, but the files are HUGE and I am not sure that the server would allow me to upload them without timing out?! I have taken many pics on this, the same card since the challenge started. I take pics almost every day...sort of an addiction! So I will be DQ, well that is ok because I cannot change it now and I did make it to the top 5. What more could I ask for....


Message edited by author 2011-05-26 12:15:19.
 05/26/2011 12:15:24 PM · #36
Thank you Tiny and RAW it is from here on out! :)
Originally posted by Tiny:
Think you will find that most folks shot in RAW here with large file sizes and upload ok.
You must be feeling pretty sick, but don,t forget that you where voted into second so that,s how good your shot was.
05/26/2011 12:31:07 PM · #37
I am very sorry to hear about this. You know that you made it to the top and that's all that counts and if its any consolation i personally think your pic was far better than my own.

Edit coz i can't spell.

Message edited by author 2011-05-26 12:50:02.
 05/26/2011 12:53:23 PM · #38
Originally posted by kenskid:
I would be sick if I finally got a ribbon only to have a DQ like this ! I can see if I was cheating by cloning or something...


Hey! I resent that remark!!! I didn't do it on purpose :-(
And yeah, I did feel a little sick.

antje1777, do try the recovery programs before giving up so quickly. It is super simple to try, and you'll know right away if you can rescue it.
 05/26/2011 05:32:16 PM · #39
Originally posted by herfotoman:
Originally posted by Melethia:
Before you give up, try to recover the original from the card. There are some good recovery programs that can get files off of a card even if you've erased them.


I also had to revert to my "deleted" files on my flash disk for a validation request two months ago. I downloaded Zero Assumption and it worked like a charm! Try it first. The important thing to remeber is not to save the recovered file(s) on the flash disk, but on the hard drive. All of the best.


I agree. This program has recovered filed from long, long ago, even when I've shot much more since then. It's worth a try.
 05/26/2011 06:53:55 PM · #40
You'll make it back to the front page. Sorry for the trouble with your file!
 05/26/2011 06:54:41 PM · #41
Tried the recovery program Zero Assumption to no avail. You guys really helped me so very much, even though it will not help for this challenge I hope that I am better prepared for the next one. I will, from here on in, ask all the questions I need to before even entering any of my photographs. I did get some really cool ones because of this challenge and I am thankful for that!

Message edited by author 2011-05-26 18:55:23.
 05/26/2011 07:06:21 PM · #42
Can I ask for tips about your post-processing? Your sky is so rich along with the fill of the flowers and grass for it being a contre-jour shot. Did you use a polarizer? Did you tonemap? How'd you get it like that?
 05/26/2011 07:47:11 PM · #43
I always feared this happening so now I upload my entries as normal to my computer and then work out which on or ones I will use for a challenge. Then I go directly to the card and copy these images into a file on the desktop called DPC entries. No matter what I do or any program has done to the images the originals direct from the card are sitting in a safe little folder. The only time I touch these images is to attach them for DPC proofing.
Maybe this could work for you moving forward.

I loved your image BTW so hope you managed to hold on to your ribbon.

05/26/2011 07:51:02 PM · #44
Originally posted by DrAchoo:
Can I ask for tips about your post-processing? Your sky is so rich along with the fill of the flowers and grass for it being a contre-jour shot. Did you use a polarizer? Did you tonemap? How'd you get it like that?

I darkened and used contrast on the image universally. The hardest thing for me taking this picture was to avoid lens flair and I took quite a few because I found the subject simply beautiful and so relaxing. Although I did get a bunch of fox tails in my clothing. The picture was taken fairly early in the morning. A quarter to nine, which helps because the light is softer as well as clearer. Hope this helps...
 05/26/2011 07:53:57 PM · #45
Originally posted by RamblinR:
I always feared this happening so now I upload my entries as normal to my computer and then work out which on or ones I will use for a challenge. Then I go directly to the card and copy these images into a file on the desktop called DPC entries. No matter what I do or any program has done to the images the originals direct from the card are sitting in a safe little folder. The only time I touch these images is to attach them for DPC proofing.
Maybe this could work for you moving forward.

I loved your image BTW so hope you managed to hold on to your ribbon.


Thank you RamblinR! I do not think I will be able to but even though this experience was a serious learning curve and I will take it as such. Cannot change it anyhow and whining is not going to help me. All the tips and advice I got out of this experience is priceless...
 05/27/2011 08:59:57 AM · #46
So Antje, sorry if you already said, but were you able to turn the auto-analyzer off?

I'm really annoyed by these programs that alter EXIF and also that try to "help" the user in so many ways. Do we really need auto-rotate, for example?
 05/27/2011 10:41:35 AM · #47
I was able to turn the auto-analyzer off...but since I do not know if other programs on my computer might be making changes without my knowledge, I will keep the original on the SD card and lock it from now on. :)

Originally posted by citymars:
So Antje, sorry if you already said, but were you able to turn the auto-analyzer off?

I'm really annoyed by these programs that alter EXIF and also that try to "help" the user in so many ways. Do we really need auto-rotate, for example?


Message edited by author 2011-05-27 12:38:44.
 05/27/2011 01:32:56 PM · #48
Another approach is to copy any possible submissions into a file in windows, then copy them again into a different file location that you use elements on. That way you have the original files backed up and can always retrieve them as originally written from the card.
 05/28/2011 11:29:53 PM · #49
nevermind

Message edited by author 2011-05-28 23:38:59.
 05/28/2011 11:47:28 PM · #50
I'm curious if we know the OP and ribbon winner can't produce an original, why is it still on the front page? When the new ribbon winner won't be getting their time on the front page?
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