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05/10/2011 01:16:25 PM · #1 |
They are going to put another chip into our phones, mandatory (seems like) to "alert" us of emergencies? is that it? I think the "chip" that goes into our phones could do more than warning us don't you think... I mean, they already have our phone numbers, why not just texting to that number instead? why chip? President can send us message? what is he going to say, "VOTE FOR ME"?
I think we're pushed into the machine voluntarily this time... we all are using phones, and can't live without them and government knows that and taking advantage of it.
that's not a conspiracy, that's the truth if you think about it }-(
Message edited by author 2011-05-10 13:26:26. |
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05/10/2011 02:12:36 PM · #2 |
I wonder if government was incorporated (i.e. Gov Inc.) would these concerns still exist? We let big business get away with just about anything and will march on their behalf in support.
Message edited by author 2011-05-10 14:15:08.
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05/10/2011 02:14:01 PM · #3 |
In the article you posted it doesn't say anything about a chip. It does say that they are going to send alerts via telephone masts to people in a certain area regardless being a visitor or local. I assume, from what I just read, that it will work in a way that it just sends out an alert to all the phones being connected to a certain mast/tower, no chip needed (other than your sim which you've already got). This is something you can do today, but might not be legal for anyone but the phone company to do.
Originally posted by article:
The system - called PLAN or Personal Localized Alerting Network - uses cell phone towers to send messages to everyone currently in a certain area, regardless of whether they're visiting from out of town or have a phone registered elsewhere. People won't have to register in advance to receive the alerts. |
Message edited by author 2011-05-10 14:19:16. |
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05/10/2011 02:17:38 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by yanko:
I wonder if government was incorporated (i.e. Gov Inc.) would these concerns still exist? We let big business get away with just about anything and will march for the right to let them continue it. |
Democratic governments are corporations -- voluntary associations of shareholders (voters, taxpayers).
That's why you hear of cities being "incorporated" or of the county sheriff patroling the "unincorporated areas" outside of those cities. The only basic difference (use to be) is that you can't buy more shares (votes) and acquire unreasonable control -- each voter/shareholder is supposed to have an equal vote in policy matters. |
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05/10/2011 02:22:02 PM · #5 |
Sooo... This is the same phone system that basically went DOA for more then a couple of people on 9/11.
Umm... okay yeah I guess you could do that :-/ |
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05/10/2011 02:23:22 PM · #6 |
I don't see anything about the phone needing a chip to receive that sort of info. I'm relatively sure that towers could blast out SMSs to all phones within range without modification. This makes sense, as it doesn't require waiting for users to upgrade phones before the system becomes effective.
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05/10/2011 02:30:31 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by robs:
Sooo... This is the same phone system that basically went DOA for more then a couple of people on 9/11. |
No, it's not -- I think they are two or three generations of technology past that. Of course, if you have a 2001 model iPhone, I think you should start the eBay bidding in the six figures ... :-) |
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05/10/2011 03:01:59 PM · #8 |
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05/10/2011 03:16:59 PM · #9 |
Better run boy
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
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05/10/2011 03:31:20 PM · #10 |
On this morning's news they said that currently not all phones had the required chip, but starting soon all phones would by law be required to have the chip. So yes, there will be a chip.
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05/10/2011 03:41:56 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by citymars:
On this morning's news they said that currently not all phones had the required chip, but starting soon all phones would by law be required to have the chip. So yes, there will be a chip. |
Is that the chip which will keep and send to the government a record of where you go? I'm figuring Apple was just a beta-tester ... |
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05/10/2011 04:14:09 PM · #12 |
Be honest, what could a chip do for the government (as far as gather info on us goes) that a innocent smart phone can't do now?
It's been relatively easy to triangulate any radio source's position since the days of Marconi and Tesla. Cell phone networks, by default, are well-suited for triangulation. Modern smart phones employ GPS, making the task simpler for the phone to know it's own position, but operate with GPS features turned off.
Data packets can be intercepted. That includes voice. They are easily captured from the network, but can, less easily be captured out of the ether. While modern digital phones are harder for the casual eavesdropper to intercept, I'm relatively sure the CIA could rather easily listen in on you, although it would be much easier to wiretap a landline.
Cellular data is not encrypted by default, so a chip wouldn't supply a back door for the government.
I fail to see where a chip could do anything nefarious. No more than the government watching what I do through my television.
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05/10/2011 04:21:28 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I fail to see where a chip could do anything nefarious. |
It can do the same nefarious things more quickly, more cheaply, more universally, and more automatically than current technologies. As you point out, it's been possible to triangulate a radio location since the days of Marconi, but do you think any feasible array of loop antennae could track everyone with a cell phone the way a built-in, dedicated chip would? |
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05/10/2011 04:46:14 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by fotomann_forever:
I fail to see where a chip could do anything nefarious. |
It can do the same nefarious things more quickly, more cheaply, more universally, and more automatically than current technologies. As you point out, it's been possible to triangulate a radio location since the days of Marconi, but do you think any feasible array of loop antennae could track everyone with a cell phone the way a built-in, dedicated chip would? |
As far as direct interception, no. The modest power limits of a cellular device require a "reciever" to be rahter close to it and in line of sight to capture its microwave signal. So direct interception of signal really can't be made simpler by "chipping" it.
So, the government would still require "cooperation" from the provider.
The government is also well aware, I'm sure, that any chip put in a "disposable device" will be examined by hackers both domestic and foreign.
Although GPS is operated by the DoD, are we nervous about using that? No, because we civilians have been using it for 14 years.
Message edited by author 2011-05-10 16:47:11.
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