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05/04/2011 01:25:55 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by Socom:
I assume its been brought up before, but, right now the voting is a single 1-10. What if it was more of a weighted vote.
Requirements 1-10
Technical 1-10
Visual 1-10
The system could then either automatically give the numbers weight (req point = 1:1, technical = 1:1, visually appealing = 1:0.5) or just divide by 3.
Sure its a tad more effort for voters, but I think it would give the shooters a better idea of why their picture did better or did worse then they expected. |
Naw... the score wouldn't necessarily reflect the vote I want to give. I have certainly given a vote of 10 to technically imperfect photos. I think a photo that touches me and makes a huge impression is more important than technical perfection. Breaking it down to pieces doesn't always take into account the whole |
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05/04/2011 01:33:58 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Naw... the score wouldn't necessarily reflect the vote I want to give. I have certainly given a vote of 10 to technically imperfect photos. I think a photo that touches me and makes a huge impression is more important than technical perfection. Breaking it down to pieces doesn't always take into account the whole |
I agree, the question that remains tho, is which is the exception and which is the norm.
I think in most cases in my opinion anyway, it would give the shooter a better feel of what people like or dont like about the picture. And as your example, the overall vote might be lower then what you would normal give, however, by giving a high Visual the owner will know that you really liked it. I think it would be more honest and accurate, however you are correct it wont work 100% of the time.
ahh well, in with my two cents :) |
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05/04/2011 01:55:06 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by antje1777:
... after reading all the comments on this post I am convinced that this issue will not ever be fixed and maybe it does not need to be. I suppose it is democracy. |
Actually, it's effectivly a Monarchy with Privy Council and methods for polling the populace ...
We tried encouraging people who voted three or below to comment by having a comment input-box pop up when they clicked on the vote -- this procedure was not effective nor well-received, and was subsequently discontinued. As you guessed, after almost ten years, we are unlikely to change the voting system in any significant way.
As has been mentioned previously, the best comments are those inspired by your photo.
I find it quite rare that I actually "learn" something from comments left on my entries, rather it's been pretty clear that one learns far more from analyzing other people's pictures, figuring out what "works" (or not) and why, and then organizing your thoughts in a comment you leave on their picture. Thinking analytically about pictures in which you have no emotional investment will allow you to take those positive and negative characteristics into account when you take your own. Also, if you go around leaving comments other people are likely to reciprocate -- maybe you can start a trend. :-)
Message edited by author 2011-05-04 13:57:42. |
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05/04/2011 02:21:08 PM · #29 |
To the OP:
You have sagely noted that this is a place to learn. One of the hardest lessons, however, is to learn that there is not always an answer to everything. Why people leave 1s or 2s is one of those lessons. Frustrating? You bet. But that's life. Learning is not about being told something, but about our own figuring things out from the information given - sparse though it may be.
Leave the voting system alone - for most of us, it works just fine, the simpler the better. As it is, note the number of votes received, and you will see that it is not a huge number. And a good number of them are click-by voters. If it were a more cumbersome process, I know that I, for one, would probably be voting less. |
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05/04/2011 02:22:24 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by antje1777:
... after reading all the comments on this post I am convinced that this issue will not ever be fixed and maybe it does not need to be. I suppose it is democracy. |
Actually, it's effectivly a Monarchy with Privy Council and methods for polling the populace ...
We tried encouraging people who voted three or below to comment by having a comment input-box pop up when they clicked on the vote -- this procedure was not effective nor well-received, and was subsequently discontinued. As you guessed, after almost ten years, we are unlikely to change the voting system in any significant way.
As has been mentioned previously, the best comments are those inspired by your photo.
I find it quite rare that I actually "learn" something from comments left on my entries, rather it's been pretty clear that one learns far more from analyzing other people's pictures, figuring out what "works" (or not) and why, and then organizing your thoughts in a comment you leave on their picture. Thinking analytically about pictures in which you have no emotional investment will allow you to take those positive and negative characteristics into account when you take your own. Also, if you go around leaving comments other people are likely to reciprocate -- maybe you can start a trend. :-) |
Thank you for your thoughts Paul, I really appreciate it and for the smiles :) "it's effectivly a Monarchy with Privy Council " hehe.... |
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05/04/2011 02:28:29 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
To the OP:
You have sagely noted that this is a place to learn. One of the hardest lessons, however, is to learn that there is not always an answer to everything. Why people leave 1s or 2s is one of those lessons. Frustrating? You bet. But that's life. Learning is not about being told something, but about our own figuring things out from the information given - sparse though it may be.
Leave the voting system alone - for most of us, it works just fine, the simpler the better. As it is, note the number of votes received, and you will see that it is not a huge number. And a good number of them are click-by voters. If it were a more cumbersome process, I know that I, for one, would probably be voting less. |
"Learning is not about being told something, but about our own figuring things out from the information given - sparse though it may be."
...and that exactly was the point that there was not enough information given by simply placing a 1 or 2...a 1 and 2 vote means that one completely FAILED all the way around. I do not know about you, but when someone tells me I failed at something I want to know why, that's all!
...but I do not want to beat a dead horse again :)
Message edited by author 2011-05-04 14:38:55. |
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05/04/2011 03:08:10 PM · #32 |
To the OP: At least half of DPC voters do not like wieners and do not like to talk about it.
Rest: This thread is in the challenge suggestions forum so let's have an 'Explain Why?!' challenge. Create an image that answers a question. Your title should be that question.
Message edited by author 2011-05-04 15:10:12. |
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05/04/2011 03:22:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
let's have an 'Explain Why?!' challenge. Create an image that answers a question. Your title should be that question. |
That could be fun!
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05/04/2011 03:43:56 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
To the OP: At least half of DPC voters do not like wieners and do not like to talk about it.
Rest: This thread is in the challenge suggestions forum so let's have an 'Explain Why?!' challenge. Create an image that answers a question. Your title should be that question. |
Hehe...oh I hope you meant whiners, yes? Otherwise...well you go figure it out :)
Your challenge suggestion is a great one! |
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05/04/2011 09:05:45 PM · #35 |
considering the votes you got, its obvious why people voted the way they did. They either loved the idea or hated it. Personally i thought it was great and enjoy seeing such creativity even if some may find it distasteful.
it gets old seeing the same stuff over and over, lord knows i get bored shooting the same stuff over and over, hence my lack of entries lately :( |
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05/04/2011 09:12:47 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
At least half of DPC voters do not like wieners and do not like to talk about it.
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I'm of the other half
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05/04/2011 09:23:59 PM · #37 |
yeah this thread took a bad turn...
Message edited by author 2011-05-04 21:36:53. |
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05/04/2011 09:28:28 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by antje1777:
"ideological imperialism"
No, the only correct vote is not my vote and after reading all the comments on this post I am convinced that this issue will not ever be fixed and maybe it does not need to be. I suppose it is democracy. I would have liked to learn from my mistakes, on the other hand I have noticed that the top ranking photographs are almost always the same style for a few exceptions. So maybe that is my answer...I will not assimilate, I can't... |
I was illustrating this in a somewhat cryptic fashion, but what you just said is correct about results. It's the necessary result of a democratic process; somewhat watered down results that appease everybody somewhat. My alluding to "my vote is the only correct vote" was from your comment about "I do think that voting should be based first on."
That's the center of the problem, that your way of voting has more validity than that of anybody else, because EVERYBODY thinks that, and if everybody voted the exact same... well... voting is pointless. But then, the voting results bear out what people hold to be the overall best image, regardless of style. It's a battle everybody goes through. Perhaps you don't entertain the same aesthetic as everybody, and that's okay, but don't expect the opinion of many to coincide with the few without expecting frustration and disappointment, as well. |
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05/04/2011 10:19:17 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by skewsme:
At least half of DPC voters do not like wieners and do not like to talk about it.
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I'm of the other half
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Hehe...:) |
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05/04/2011 10:21:14 PM · #40 |
@mike_311
Yes it did take a bad turn, but now everybody has something to laugh about, except those who might be offended by this humor. Oh well, too bad :) |
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05/04/2011 10:22:58 PM · #41 |
@spiritualspatula
Thank you Derek for taking the time to share your thoughts...
Message edited by author 2011-05-04 22:23:39. |
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05/05/2011 07:33:23 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by skewsme:
To the OP: At least half of DPC voters do not like wieners and do not like to talk about it.
Rest: This thread is in the challenge suggestions forum so let's have an 'Explain Why?!' challenge. Create an image that answers a question. Your title should be that question. |
We had a "Why" challenge a while back and I entered this collectors' item
Ray
Message edited by author 2011-05-05 07:35:36. |
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