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04/13/2011 11:20:32 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by kenskid:
If that is their food supply and they are eating the meat, then it is ok. I'm pretty sure that species is not close to extinction. |
Well, humans are nowhere NEAR extinction, maybe we can harvest a few of us too? My problem here is that Cetaceans are intelligent creatures. It bothers me to see them being hunted for any reason at all, even for subsistence foodstuffs. That may be hypocritical of me, but I feel like we have to draw the line somewhere. If we think it's OK to eat whales, why isn't it OK to eat humans?
R. |
Pigs are pretty damn smart too. That doesn't diminish my appreciation for a good pork chop.
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04/13/2011 11:23:38 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by kenskid:
If that is their food supply and they are eating the meat, then it is ok. I'm pretty sure that species is not close to extinction. |
Well, humans are nowhere NEAR extinction, maybe we can harvest a few of us too? My problem here is that Cetaceans are intelligent creatures. It bothers me to see them being hunted for any reason at all, even for subsistence foodstuffs. That may be hypocritical of me, but I feel like we have to draw the line somewhere. If we think it's OK to eat whales, why isn't it OK to eat humans?
R. |
Pigs are pretty damn smart too. That doesn't diminish my appreciation for a good pork chop. |
And they'd have no qualms about eating you either. ;D |
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04/13/2011 01:01:38 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by kenskid:
If that is their food supply and they are eating the meat, then it is ok. I'm pretty sure that species is not close to extinction. |
Well, humans are nowhere NEAR extinction, maybe we can harvest a few of us too? My problem here is that Cetaceans are intelligent creatures. It bothers me to see them being hunted for any reason at all, even for subsistence foodstuffs. That may be hypocritical of me, but I feel like we have to draw the line somewhere. If we think it's OK to eat whales, why isn't it OK to eat humans?
R. |
Pigs are pretty damn smart too. That doesn't diminish my appreciation for a good pork chop. |
And they'd have no qualms about eating you either. ;D |
I'm OK with that. |
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04/13/2011 01:26:57 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
I *KNEW* you would come up with that. I don't even have to click the link to know it will be Swift's modest proposal :-)
R. |
I figured you were just playing "straight-man" and setting me up. Besides, there seems to be a dearth of posted literature supporting this obvious modification to the human diet ... ;-)
You know, they just don't make clergymen like that any more ... :-( |
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04/13/2011 03:48:51 PM · #30 |
when we studied jonathon swift in school, i always wondered how people could take it seriously and get so upset.
then, i stumbled across a blog/website that had quoted some "the onion" had said and realized that the more things change, the more they stay the same. . . |
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04/13/2011 03:54:38 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by apercep:
Being a sportsman and believing in utilizing the animal to my best extent, i won't disagree with the act of the harvest. However, I can't really condone the exact manner of the kill. (If it is in fact how the article portrays.) |
In some cultures, this harvest is cause for celebration and becomes a community event. After all, a good harvest could be the difference between survival and starvation for that group of people. In fact, we softie westerners celebrate our own harvest each autumn and have church ceremonies to thank the spirits of the land for their bountiful harvest. We also hold parties with drinking and feasting at the Autumn Equinox to give thanks for our hoppers full of grain, barns full of hay and straw, barns full of apples(for more cider).
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04/13/2011 05:45:37 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Funny thing that... we get a similar reaction from people regarding the seal hunt in Canada. Ok for them to eat "Paté de foie-gras", but it's not ok for an easterner to feed his family.
Ray |
I just heard today that the governement of Canada has spent about $18 billion in "diplomatic efforts" to open new opportunities for the sealskin market, which grosses about $1 billion ... wouldn't it be (18x) cheaper to pay the hunters whatever they usually make to stay home?
PS: I'm talking about the baby harp seal hunt, not indigenous people hunting seals for food.[ |
Do tell me where you found those figures... I seriously doubt the 18billion figure, nor do I lend much credence to the 1 billion sealskin market, particulary when we consider the numbers harvested and the fact that pelts sell for about $20 to $25 each.
Ray |
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04/13/2011 06:40:26 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Do tell me where you found those figures... I seriously doubt the 18billion figure, nor do I lend much credence to the 1 billion sealskin market, particulary when we consider the numbers harvested and the fact that pelts sell for about $20 to $25 each.
Ray |
Originally posted by Fisheries Canada official website::
Socio-economic Importance of the Seal Hunt
The Seal Hunt is Important
In Newfoundland and Labrador at least 7 coastal communities derived between 15% and 35% of their total earned income from sealing. That is income for everyone in the community combined.
Sealers state their income from sealing can represent from 25-35% of their total annual income.
Although sealing may seem to be a minor industry within the larger economy, many locally-important industries share this characteristic. For example, crop production and forestry each account for less than 1% of Canadian GDP, but their local economic importance is indisputable.
The top homeports for sealers have unemployment rates over 30% higher than the national average.
The Seal Hunt is Valuable
While the value of the seal hunt may appear negligible to some, it is tremendously valuable to those individuals who use it as a source of income at a time of year when economic opportunities are limited in many remote, coastal communities.
The 2006 seal hunt was one of the most profitable in memory. Given extremely favourable market conditions, the landed value of the harp seal hunt was $33 million.
The average price per pelt received by sealers was $97, an increase of 77% over the 2005 average value of $55. |
For whatever that's worth. These are official government figures.
Message edited by author 2011-04-13 18:41:23. |
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04/13/2011 07:13:19 PM · #34 |
I may well have mis-heard, and should be talking in millions rather than billions -- with newscasters now casually throwing around figures in the trillions it's getting hard to remember some things operate on a smaller scale.
I do remember the ratio; that government spending on promotion was some eighteen times the value of the "harvest" ... |
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