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04/06/2011 11:32:58 PM · #26 |
Saying things like:
"The (composition, lighting, subject, processing, color, tone) in this photo (sucks, is ugly, stinks on ice)." won't offer any useful information as to why one may think that. Plus the usage of "hot button" words will not have any positive effect, either.
Saying "I don't like the (composition, lighting, subject, processing, color, tone) in this photo" eliminates the hot button words, but still offers no useful information for the photographer.
So, on those occasions where I don't have time to elaborate, construct a constructive comment, I just don't comment. And other times the comment would have no value--"I am not a fan of images with this subject matter" is sort of a waste for both of us: I am clearly not in the intended demographic. Saying so doesn't add any value.
Offering constructive information about what specifically about the (composition, lighting, subject, processing, color, tone) doesn't work well is not trivial, and often it takes more time than one has available. I think that is the primary reason we all get (and give) more positive, short comments than any other kind. It is likely because most of us just don't have the time to do it regularly, know doing it poorly will be less than useful. It isn't because we are all afraid or too sensitive to get or give such comments. It's just that "I love this shot!" is easy to type, always welcome. "I hate this shot" is easy to type, but most of us know it will do no good, might do harm, and won't be welcome/useful. So most of us don't do that, and don't offer negative commentary at all unless we have the time to do it in a useful manner.
Message edited by author 2011-04-06 23:34:01. |
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04/06/2011 11:41:24 PM · #27 |
If the world just interacted instead of spending their waking hours trying to control how other people think/talk/act it would be a far more productive place.
You'll never fix how everyone chooses to respond, comment, or converse. You're an adult...deal with it. Move on. Some people are blunt, some are fake, and some are overly politically correct. That's life; welcome. |
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04/06/2011 11:44:09 PM · #28 |
| Then there's empathizing with others and not wanting to cause needless aggravation... |
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04/06/2011 11:44:59 PM · #29 |
What a completely stupid idea for a thread post. Come on really? Don't people know how to say what they think in a polite way already? Get real. What a total waste of time.
Oh wait... I was being rude without being honest. My bad. :) :) :) |
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04/06/2011 11:54:19 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Then there's empathizing with others and not wanting to cause needless aggravation... |
And of course, we know there are those who want to cause aggravation, enjoy causing it.... Takes all kinds to make a world. But we can all choose who we want to hang around with, listen to, give credence to....
Message edited by author 2011-04-06 23:56:03. |
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04/07/2011 12:45:07 AM · #31 |
Much of what I have learned about composition and "seeing" a shot was learned from just viewing other's photos, and reading the comments, good, bad, constructive, personal or whatever they are.
Generally, people here seem too polite to clue each other in on what's actually going on in their photos, esp if they know each other through DPC.
When I leave comments, they are my honest opinion, not sugar coated, or intended to be harsh. They are about what I am getting from, or feeling about the subject, and about the way the image conveys the connection that the photographer was trying to make when it was shot and processed.
When I receive a comment that is critical of elements of an image that I have posted, I can usually see exactly what the commenter is pointing out. There have been very few critical comments on my images here that I could not understand and appreciate, and learn something from.
Any image that connects to the experience, hopes, or dreams of the viewer is a good image, no matter how technically good or bad it is. Art just works that way.
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04/07/2011 12:45:37 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by Louis:
Then there's empathizing with others and not wanting to cause needless aggravation... |
A quality goal in life.
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04/07/2011 01:10:22 AM · #33 |
@Alex ( ambaker)..Thanks friend!
Originally posted by marnet:
Originally posted by Basta:
I find it ridiculous that if someone doesn't agree with the preferred opinion, then they are being "rude".
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I don't know bspurgeon personally, but i truly appreciate his reaction when someone did not like his photo..."Whatever". That is a reaction I would expect from a true artist who appreciates his own work, and can accept a different opinion. |
1. you missed completely the purpose of this thread - it is about DELIVERY, and not about whether or not anyone can make critical comments.
2. I am looking forward to Ben replying to this one although it is likely to be another "whatever"
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I don't recall saying whatever, but you are right, my skin is thick enough that I embrace the ugly comments. It means I did something right from my perspective, in other words, I don't expect, or want, everybody, or sometimes anybody, to like any given image of mine. I believe I took this to heart over the last 18 months or so from DPC photographers who frequent the PH thread (they know who they are, and I don't want to leave anybody off a "list" of my personal artistic mentors), my point is that it's important to realize there is a community within DPC that will respond with "whatever". Good folks, inspiring artists. :)
Regarding the thread topic, I refer those interested to Posthumous's tutorial on commenting for beginners. I also like the sandwich method when somebody asks for a critique, otherwise I usually just comment. I believe the two are different.
Message edited by author 2011-04-07 01:11:43. |
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