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02/17/2011 09:31:42 AM · #1 |
I want to give a little background on this first. Valentines Day I get a call from my mother wanting to talk about something serious. When I get to a private area she asks me this... Why are you depressed? You really should try to cheer up a little. I would like to say here that I... Marko Brutus... AM NOT DEPRESSED!!! My thoughts on people around me are just different from most other people. Over the last year I have not woke up and had a GREAT day... Good ones, but not GREAT. Here is the reasoning. Every single day someone annoys me with the actions they take or the things they say. And lately I have been seeing more and more of this. I am annoyed, yes... But depressed, no... My life is not being put on hold for my anger, I am not sad, I am not thinking about doing bad things to people who annoy me. By definition, depression is "True clinical depression is a mood disorder in which feelings of sadness, loss, anger, or frustration interfere with everyday life for a long period of time." (found on this site. ) My anger towards the society's trending ways is interfering with my everyday life, therefore I am not depressed... I am just angry. I want to give you all an example of something I saw just the other day that has been stuck in my head because the thought process of people amaze me to no end.
What in the world are you thinking when someone is practically forced to walk into a trashcan because you cut them off while walking... then you laugh at them because they made a loud bang and lost their balance a little? How can you think this is a good thing? But today's society says this is not a bad thing... Why? We don't like peace... We are surrounded by the idiocy of what is sadly "the norm." The normality of brutal hatred towards people just for your own amusement and pleasure. This is not to be mistaken with simple picking on friends and such; however, when someone is hurt by the things you say or the actions you take and it gives you the feeling of happiness... There is something wrong with you, mentally. Nothing will change with this little rant with the way that people think or the actions they will take. But I hope it clears up a little about me and the way I think about people. I am frustrated with the society's trending views on life.
And again this is just the one that has been stuck in my head, there is plenty more stories like this just in the past week. Hope I didn't bore you with this little rant...
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02/17/2011 09:39:47 AM · #2 |
Sorry. Your mom called you because she's worried. She sees that you feelings are getting in the way of you enjoying life. She loves you and is concerned.
Yes. There are annoying things in life. But how often do you see the good things? Do you notice the people who stop and pick up other people's trash? Do you notice the people that stop and talk to a stranger out walking their dog, admiring the dog and passing the time of day with someone they don't know? Do you see the people driving on the freeway who'll flash their lights to let a truck in who's trying to merge?
There are many more good people than bad in the world. The problem is that many people are only looking for the bad. For things to get irritated or angry about.
She's concerned. She sees a problem or a change and wants to help.
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02/17/2011 09:41:24 AM · #3 |
Meh, people. The higher the population, the more idiots per square foot. I spend five days a week surrounded by jackasses in business suits.
It sounds like we both need to move to the country. |
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02/17/2011 09:44:15 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
Meh, people. The higher the population, the more idiots per square foot. I spend five days a week surrounded by jackasses in business suits.
It sounds like we both need to move to the country. |
naw. Then you'll just get irritated by the tractors that are going 2 miles an hour down the roads.
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02/17/2011 09:45:57 AM · #5 |
I can see your point that this is normal for you and not depression. I think all of use have such frustrations to some degree. I also have to say that you will be a truly awesome grumpy old man someday.
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02/17/2011 09:51:20 AM · #6 |
| I have thought about this... Don't get me wrong... The last few days I have spent thinking so much about this. I agree with you that she is concerned. I appreciate her concern for me! Like you said... There are people who do good things, but more good than bad? I am going to have to disagree. That being said I have tried looking for good in people. Yes I see some people picking up trash, simple talk between two strangers, and people flashing their lights. I see all of those however do you see the people my age? College years? 90% of the students at a Christian school are not like this. Yes 10% are wonderful people and deserve a reward for being such. But as I see it, the society is going to change with the upcoming youth as they grow older. You might want to bring your "A" game later on because people my age are brutal. |
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02/17/2011 09:53:07 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
I can see your point that this is normal for you and not depression. I think all of use have such frustrations to some degree. I also have to say that you will be a truly awesome grumpy old man someday. |
I plan on being the old guy in a kids neighborhood that sits on his porch yelling at kids if they come close to my grass! :D I see that being pretty fun! |
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02/17/2011 09:55:36 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by Strikeslip:
I spend five days a week surrounded by jackasses in business suits. |
They have to put up with you too. But a gorilla suit is way more fun.
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02/17/2011 09:58:25 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
I have thought about this... Don't get me wrong... The last few days I have spent thinking so much about this. I agree with you that she is concerned. I appreciate her concern for me! Like you said... There are people who do good things, but more good than bad? I am going to have to disagree. That being said I have tried looking for good in people. Yes I see some people picking up trash, simple talk between two strangers, and people flashing their lights. I see all of those however do you see the people my age? College years? 90% of the students at a Christian school are not like this. Yes 10% are wonderful people and deserve a reward for being such. But as I see it, the society is going to change with the upcoming youth as they grow older. You might want to bring your "A" game later on because people my age are brutal. |
Been there, done that.
People your age are brutal. I agree. They were brutal 20 years ago, 40 years ago.
The problem with being your age is that people are just trying to survive and figure out life. It's rough.
The problem is, your mom know that usually life gets better. Or at least most people adapt to being able to handle it better.
She also knows that the more angry you are, the more angry you become. Smaller and smaller things will set you off. Things that really aren't important in the scheme of things. If you can't deal with the small things, she worries what will happen when you hit the really big stuff. You may have experienced things at 20, but you will hit more and harder things by 40, 60, 80.
She's a mom. She's supposed to worry. She probably also knows you better than anyone else, so she may have a point.
Message edited by author 2011-02-17 09:59:13.
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02/17/2011 10:04:00 AM · #10 |
By the way. I feel strongly about this because I'm dealing with the opposite. I'm dealing with a mother who's starting to fail physically, emotionally, and somewhat mentally.
I've had to tell her that she is so much more anxious than she's ever been. I've had to tell her that she really needs to get some help. That every time I talk to her, she's afraid of something. That it's getting in the way of her functioning in life.
It is the hardest thing I have ever done. It is awful. It is scary. She doesn't see it. She doesn't agree. But I know her, and this isn't her.
Regardless of whether you agree with your mom, it took a hell of a lot of guts to talk to you. She took a chance at you being angry. Being annoyed. Perhaps not talking to her for awhile. Because she thought there was an issue that was more important. Whether or not you agree with her. Take a lot of time to listen to what she's saying. Not just a day or two. There's a reason she said it.
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02/17/2011 10:06:05 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Been there, done that.
People your age are brutal. I agree. They were brutal 20 years ago, 40 years ago.
The problem with being your age is that people are just trying to survive and figure out life. It's rough.
The problem is, your mom know that usually life gets better. Or at least most people adapt to being able to handle it better.
She also knows that the more angry you are, the more angry you become. Smaller and smaller things will set you off. Things that really aren't important in the scheme of things. If you can't deal with the small things, she worries what will happen when you hit the really big stuff. You may have experienced things at 20, but you will hit more and harder things by 40, 60, 80.
She's a mom. She's supposed to worry. She probably also knows you better than anyone else, so she may have a point. |
Like I said, I appreciate her concern. I just see the world differently than most people but then again most people are in "the norm" where society brainwashed them into thinking that the things done such as the example I gave above, is ok. Would you have said something to the people laughing at the person? Maybe you would have but the 50 or so people who were around didn't, including myself (which I regret very much). That is 50 random strangers NOT helping another random stranger... WHY? Why in the world do people not stick up for random strangers? BECAUSE THE SOCIETY IS CHANGING!!! THATS WHY and I hope you see that. |
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02/17/2011 10:08:34 AM · #12 |
Perhaps my approach will work for you, if some jackass tries to crowd me off the sidewalk, I will maintain my course and if they fail to yield (when reasonable, of course there are times that courtesy is the better approach, actually most often..) then I will simply walk right through them linebacker style. And why shouldn't I? They knew I was there, they had room to make a comfortable passage, as such they deserve to be ran over.. This entirely eliminates anger, and replaces it with a sense of satisfaction, as though I might have helped, in a small way, to teach them some manners. Then again, they're often so thick that I suspect they just think I was a jerk... meh.
Best advice of all though is to attempt to trade your anger in for humor, humor that they are so idiotic, humor that with those kind of interpersonal skills they are sure to fail at almost everything in their life, humor that you know better and will provide a path for them, not because you have to defer, but simply because you know that it's often easier.
Of course, you can carry around a few packs of ketchup and increase the amusement by spraying their back with ketchup... |
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02/17/2011 10:11:32 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Been there, done that.
People your age are brutal. I agree. They were brutal 20 years ago, 40 years ago.
The problem with being your age is that people are just trying to survive and figure out life. It's rough.
The problem is, your mom know that usually life gets better. Or at least most people adapt to being able to handle it better.
She also knows that the more angry you are, the more angry you become. Smaller and smaller things will set you off. Things that really aren't important in the scheme of things. If you can't deal with the small things, she worries what will happen when you hit the really big stuff. You may have experienced things at 20, but you will hit more and harder things by 40, 60, 80.
She's a mom. She's supposed to worry. She probably also knows you better than anyone else, so she may have a point. |
Like I said, I appreciate her concern. I just see the world differently than most people but then again most people are in "the norm" where society brainwashed them into thinking that the things done such as the example I gave above, is ok. Would you have said something to the people laughing at the person? Maybe you would have but the 50 or so people who were around didn't, including myself (which I regret very much). That is 50 random strangers NOT helping another random stranger... WHY? Why in the world do people not stick up for random strangers? BECAUSE THE SOCIETY IS CHANGING!!! THATS WHY and I hope you see that. |
It's a simple matter of risk vs. reward.
However, I am one of the few that does stupid crap like chasing down thieves and trying to keep a balance of justice in the world around me... It'll probably get me killed one day, and somehow I find that I just don't really mind, as it's just what feels right to me, but I realize that I'm actually rather stupid for it, as the risk is high, while the reward is only a small sense of self satisfaction... *shrug* |
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02/17/2011 10:17:46 AM · #14 |
| So if you were in the 50 or so people that was in the crowd, you would say something to the people laughing? That is something that amazes me (not saying I don't believe you). So lets say you did... 1 out of 50 people say something to stick up for the person. That is an amazing statistic telling a lot about today's society. |
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02/17/2011 10:18:09 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Originally posted by vawendy:
Been there, done that.
People your age are brutal. I agree. They were brutal 20 years ago, 40 years ago.
The problem with being your age is that people are just trying to survive and figure out life. It's rough.
The problem is, your mom know that usually life gets better. Or at least most people adapt to being able to handle it better.
She also knows that the more angry you are, the more angry you become. Smaller and smaller things will set you off. Things that really aren't important in the scheme of things. If you can't deal with the small things, she worries what will happen when you hit the really big stuff. You may have experienced things at 20, but you will hit more and harder things by 40, 60, 80.
She's a mom. She's supposed to worry. She probably also knows you better than anyone else, so she may have a point. |
Like I said, I appreciate her concern. I just see the world differently than most people but then again most people are in "the norm" where society brainwashed them into thinking that the things done such as the example I gave above, is ok. Would you have said something to the people laughing at the person? Maybe you would have but the 50 or so people who were around didn't, including myself (which I regret very much). That is 50 random strangers NOT helping another random stranger... WHY? Why in the world do people not stick up for random strangers? BECAUSE THE SOCIETY IS CHANGING!!! THATS WHY and I hope you see that. |
Actually, society is pretty much the same as it always has been (at least for as long as I've been around.)
It's nothing knew. 50 people stood by and did nothing, because it wasn't that big of a deal. It was over with. You have to pick your battles. That battle isn't worth fighting. If the person was seriously hurt, people would have helped.
The problem is that anger gets misplaced. It gets taken out on people who simply make a mistake. I accidentally cut someone off a couple of months ago. I made a turn from a wrong lane, and cut someone off. It was a mistake. I felt bad. The guy wasn't even terribly inconvenienced. He was far enough back that he didn't have to hit the brakes hard. (I saw him as I was turning, so I knew where he was, and I realized my mistake, but there wasn't anything I could do at that point.) He spent the next mile swerving in and out in front of me, giving me the finger. His driving was much more dangerous than my mistaken turn. He assumed I did it "on purpose" and tried to punish me. That's where anger leads. People start assuming that every single slight was done on purpose. Sometimes people just make mistakes.
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02/17/2011 10:25:49 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
It's nothing knew. 50 people stood by and did nothing, because it wasn't that big of a deal. It was over with. You have to pick your battles. That battle isn't worth fighting. If the person was seriously hurt, people would have helped. |
Who's to say that this person was so embarrassed because they were being laughed at by what looked like highschool cheerleaders that it completely ruined her day at Disney? Big deal? I think so... Ruining someones day just to get a laugh? In your case you knew your mistake... These people don't. They don't see what sort of impact they might have left for this lady. Explain to me how ruining someones day at Disney for your own 5 minute laugh is good? Now I am not saying it did ruin this persons day, I do not know but she did walk away with a VERY sour look on her face as if she just lost a war. |
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02/17/2011 10:32:03 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
Originally posted by vawendy:
It's nothing knew. 50 people stood by and did nothing, because it wasn't that big of a deal. It was over with. You have to pick your battles. That battle isn't worth fighting. If the person was seriously hurt, people would have helped. |
Who's to say that this person was so embarrassed because they were being laughed at by what looked like highschool cheerleaders that it completely ruined her day at Disney? Big deal? I think so... Ruining someones day just to get a laugh? In your case you knew your mistake... These people don't. They don't see what sort of impact they might have left for this lady. Explain to me how ruining someones day at Disney for your own 5 minute laugh is good? Now I am not saying it did ruin this persons day, I do not know but she did walk away with a VERY sour look on her face as if she just lost a war. |
I never said it was good. I never said that they weren't jerks. I never said that life was easy. I'm saying that if she let her entire day be ruined because she walked into a trash can, she's in trouble. How is she going to deal with a kid who comes down with meningitis? How is she doing to deal with a mother who went into the emergency room because of pain in her leg, only to be sent home by an incompetent medical staff, just to end up back in the hospital with 2 hematomas bleeding into the muscle?
There are more serious issues in life. And if smaller ones make you furious, you're not set for the big ones.
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02/17/2011 10:35:32 AM · #18 |
You can't change people. Nothing you could have done would have gotten through to the jerks doing it. What's important is how you deal with things. Getting angry isn't effective, isn't productive, does nothing but irritate you.
Going over and telling the trash can girl that there are some real jerks in the world would have been more productive. How does getting angry solve anything? It just makes you part of the problem. Now you're going to go be irritable to someone else.
Message edited by author 2011-02-17 10:36:47.
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02/17/2011 10:44:10 AM · #19 |
| I can see where you are getting at this. However, maybe she was weak (mentally)... Who knows maybe she did have a serious problem happening to her at home and that is the reason she was at Disney, to get away from things for a day. If this was the case now these high school cheerleaders set her off into a downward spiral mentally because she can't control her state of mind as well as normal. The thinking process of people amaze me. Why is the society mean? |
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02/17/2011 10:44:10 AM · #20 |
| I can see where you are getting at this. However, maybe she was weak (mentally)... Who knows maybe she did have a serious problem happening to her at home and that is the reason she was at Disney, to get away from things for a day. If this was the case now these high school cheerleaders set her off into a downward spiral mentally because she can't control her state of mind as well as normal. The thinking process of people amaze me. Why is the society mean? |
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02/17/2011 10:52:10 AM · #21 |
Unfortunately, a good portion of the time people are mean because they have been put down and trounced upon. Actually, many times it's their home life. It builds them up to put others down.
I need to head out. I appreciate your listening to me. I'm a mom, so I'm coming from a mom standpoint. I've seen too many people hurt by anger. I've seen a friend, who unfortunately is an angry man. He's lost his marriage, his family, because his anger got out of hand. I've seen children who are growing up in an angry household, and that's how they're learning to deal with life.
My parting thought is this: Is your anger making any difference at all? Is it helping you or anyone around you to get angry at situations? Is there a way that you could better channel that anger to have a more positive outcome? Or are you just feeding societies problems?
Once again, thanks for the conversation. And I do wish you luck. I was one of the picked upon people. I was the trash girl. But I managed to realize that there's a lot of good out there. I made it through those awful times by not giving in to the belief that the world was a horrid place. I wasn't wrong. It can be a wonderful place (though there will always be a few jerks around.)
Message edited by author 2011-02-17 10:52:59.
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02/17/2011 11:30:46 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by mbrutus2009:
So if you were in the 50 or so people that was in the crowd, you would say something to the people laughing? That is something that amazes me (not saying I don't believe you). So lets say you did... 1 out of 50 people say something to stick up for the person. That is an amazing statistic telling a lot about today's society. |
In truth, probably not, as there's little to be said, perhaps a reproachful look, but no, I doubt I'd say anything... At least to the laughing hyenas.. I would however be likely to go talk to the girl and offer to buy her a drink or something of that nature, as I see a possibility of making some difference there, whereas my effort on the fools would be wasted. |
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02/17/2011 11:43:52 AM · #23 |
Have things really changed all that much?
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
The quote is commonly attributed to Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it. But it is very old.
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
an extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274
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02/17/2011 11:58:31 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by scarbrd:
Have things really changed all that much?
"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for
authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place
of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their
households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They
contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties
at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."
The quote is commonly attributed to Socrates, but apparently there is
no conclusive evidence that he actually said it. But it is very old.
"The world is passing through troublous times. The young people of
today think of nothing but themselves. They have no reverence for
parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as
if they knew everything, and what passes for wisdom with us is
foolishness with them. As for the girls, they are forward, immodest
and unladylike in speech, behavior and dress."
an extract from a sermon preached by Peter the Hermit in A.D. 1274 |
Oh, how excellent is that? Well done. |
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02/17/2011 11:59:12 AM · #25 |
Kitty Genovese
Hypatia
Julius Caesar
Marie Antoinette
Sacco
Vanzetti
Emmett Till
Jesus |
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