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01/25/2011 07:22:33 AM · #126 |
Are we still running together Lydia?
Votes: 64
Views: 114
Avg Vote: 4.8438
Comments: 4 |
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01/25/2011 07:22:48 AM · #127 |
I think people have a tendency to comment more on the upper end of the range or on photos that really stand out to them as different or that makes a connection with them. There are a number of photos that don't do well, but get a lot of comments because they really strike a chord with a smaller, select group.
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01/25/2011 07:49:02 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I think people have a tendency to comment more on the upper end of the range or on photos that really stand out to them as different or that makes a connection with them. There are a number of photos that don't do well, but get a lot of comments because they really strike a chord with a smaller, select group. |
I suspect you are correct. But therein lies a flaw in that the people that need the comments most are the people on the lower end. |
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01/25/2011 08:05:59 AM · #129 |
| it is easy to comment on a "good" photo because it is easy to say something nice about it. However, a "bad" photo is harder to comment on because you either feel mean for pointing out what is wrong, or you just can't find good things to say about it. I suspect that the people who need comments get fewer than the people who don't need them |
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01/25/2011 08:36:06 AM · #130 |
The hardest ones to comment on are the ones where you normally just hit the 5 and press on. Not bad, but it does not grab your attention either. The commenter stands to gain a lot from making themselves comment on those. By making yourself think about what works and does not work about it, you will gain an understanding that you can apply to your own photography.
Speaking of which, mine could use a little more love and attention...
Votes: 69
Views: 115
Avg Vote: 5.1304
Comments: 1
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01/25/2011 08:56:12 AM · #131 |
Gary (gcoulson), your comment made me ponder a lot. Of course you're right (and loved what mark you gave me at the end - a rule in life and art: one can see flows of all kinds in something and still be attracted to it and appreciate it in spite of them). Thanks
Wendy (vawendy), I suspected also that that's the case in commenting on a picture. I do not dare (yet?) to criticize a photo that I don't like but I look forward for all comments
Steve (Yo-Spiff), I thought about the "hit the 5 and press on". Press 5 and you are off the hook. Give it for effort (?) or since it's looking at first glance run of the mill I hope for more to come and make me reconsider it? But each one is unique and shall be considered alone, not in context but within the theme.
And, hmmm, I am still staying precariously at 5.67 on the wheel (64 votes) and think that, this time it's probably accurate. |
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01/25/2011 09:21:28 AM · #132 |
| Mariuca, you and I are neck and neck.....i'm also sitting pretty at 5.67. |
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01/25/2011 09:24:10 AM · #133 |
Originally posted by timfythetoo:
Are we still running together Lydia?
Votes: 64
Views: 114
Avg Vote: 4.8438
Comments: 4 |
I've still got the beating of you! :)
Votes: 66
Views: 120
Avg Vote: 4.9242
Comments: 3
You have caught up in comments though. My votes are so similar, though. Might have the narrowest histogram ever!
Message edited by author 2011-01-25 09:27:50.
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01/25/2011 10:51:12 AM · #134 |
I have a question: I have been commenting on photo's under my real name. Of course, this removes any anonymity from the equation since you know exactly who is commenting on your photo during challenge.
I am now wondering whether this is a "good" move or not since I have gotten a PM from a member asking me to explain my comment on their photo. Since they gave identifying information in their PM, I obviously know what photo is theirs. This then opens the floor to bias, I believe since I can link a photo to a person.
My question is, is it better to comment anonymously or just avoid any communication during a challenge?
I have no problem with people commenting in the forums about a comment I made (i.e Person X says thanks for the thoughtful comment), since there is no way I can associate a comment I made with their submission. However, when someone gives identifier information, I think this has crossed the line.
Thoughts? |
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01/25/2011 10:55:51 AM · #135 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
I have a question: I have been commenting on photo's under my real name. Of course, this removes any anonymity from the equation since you know exactly who is commenting on your photo during challenge.
I am now wondering whether this is a "good" move or not since I have gotten a PM from a member asking me to explain my comment on their photo. Since they gave identifying information in their PM, I obviously know what photo is theirs. This then opens the floor to bias, I believe since I can link a photo to a person.
My question is, is it better to comment anonymously or just avoid any communication during a challenge?
I have no problem with people commenting in the forums about a comment I made (i.e Person X says thanks for the thoughtful comment), since there is no way I can associate a comment I made with their submission. However, when someone gives identifier information, I think this has crossed the line.
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I don't think it's a problem as long as you stick to your original vote that was cast before you became aware of the photographer.
If it makes you more comfortable though, comment anonymously. We refer to those commenters as "bagheads" due the icon used for them during voting. ;-) |
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01/25/2011 10:58:33 AM · #136 |
Following a really angry pm from a (now no-longer, but well established) DPC member demanding I change my comment I opted to comment anonymously for a while. I now use my name, but my position on correspondence is that whilst I am happy to discuss a photo with an entrant, I will not go back and change my vote. This stance did prove to be frustrating on one occasion when it became clear I had misinterpreted an element of the photograph, and with the extra knowledge I had gained from the pm correspondence would have graded it higher.If I get a pm that challenges my comment, as opposed to being interested in genuine discourse and subjective opinion, I will just delete the pm and not engage EDIT: and not give in to temptation to lower the vote ;¬P
Message edited by author 2011-01-25 11:00:10. |
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01/25/2011 11:18:18 AM · #137 |
Originally posted by SaraR:
This stance did prove to be frustrating on one occasion when it became clear I had misinterpreted an element of the photograph, and with the extra knowledge I had gained from the pm correspondence would have graded it higher. |
This is touchy water...how to deal with this? Change your voting, or keep your original vote? I suspect if we all had the opportunity to defend or explain our pictures, we may be able to score better.
In my opinion, I would still keep the original vote since my decision was based on what I personally saw and not what I was meant to see.
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01/25/2011 11:19:05 AM · #138 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
I am now wondering whether this is a "good" move or not since I have gotten a PM from a member asking me to explain my comment on their photo. Since they gave identifying information in their PM, I obviously know what photo is theirs. This then opens the floor to bias, I believe since I can link a photo to a person. |
Was it simply a request for clarification, or did you feel they were debating your comment? I think that makes a difference. I have sometimes PM'd someone about a comment, but usually it is to answer a question that was posed in their comment or some casual conversation regarding it. I try not to sound like I am arguing and asking them to change a vote.
I think there is only one time I changed a vote after PM, and it was only because of my own misunderstanding of the subject (I don't recall exactly what it was, though). I know of only one time when someone else raised a vote after I had PM'd them, but it was not my intention at all. They had suggested my entry was marginally DNMC and I was simply curious how anyone could NOT see it as fitting the topic to a "T". Turns out it was a cultural difference.
Most of the time a PM during a challenge from me will be to someone I am friendly with after they dropped a comment on me.
Message edited by author 2011-01-25 11:19:33.
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01/25/2011 11:46:52 AM · #139 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Was it simply a request for clarification, or did you feel they were debating your comment? I think that makes a difference. |
Nothing sinister, just a question regarding clarification of my comment -- seems being a foreigner I used incorrect terminology that muddied the water a little. |
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01/25/2011 11:57:44 AM · #140 |
I occasionally PM people to either clarify or debate their comment (haven't done it in ages), but I do tell them not to change their vote. Their vote should be based on the shot alone. Not any other information that might be written in a PM. Do change your comment, if you wish. But don't change your vote. I don't think there's any problem with that.
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01/25/2011 12:54:04 PM · #141 |
| I was PMed by one of the contestants in this just to say thank you for the comment. I didn't mind at all, but if the contestant wanted to start a debate about the merits of who is right or wrong, i think that a PM is not the place for it. An open forum is a much better place to converse the image and get feedback from multiple sources. Just my 2¢ |
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01/25/2011 02:12:56 PM · #142 |
Votes: 68
Views: 117
Avg Vote: 4.9265
Comments: 2
Sneaking ever so close to 5.0! Oh please, Oh please!!!!! |
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01/25/2011 05:08:05 PM · #143 |
Yipee!! I am over 6.0
Votes: 77
Views: 182
Avg Vote: 6.0649
Comments: 6
Favorites: 2
Wish Lists: 0
Updated: 01/25/11 05:05 pm
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01/25/2011 05:12:41 PM · #144 |
| Definitely last 25 votes have been very generous -- helped erase all the nasties I got yesterday! Thank you all! |
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01/25/2011 05:39:09 PM · #145 |
Sorry again for being new and dumb.....but....
How come when the challenge ended there were 117 entries, and now it is down to 112? |
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01/25/2011 05:39:32 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by gcoulson:
Definitely last 25 votes have been very generous -- helped erase all the nasties I got yesterday! Thank you all! |
I agree, I took a bit of a dive, but i'm on my way back up. |
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01/25/2011 05:40:03 PM · #147 |
Riding along at 5.27. Another one of those. This one is getting wide ranging votes, though. A few (not nearly enough) appreciate it and are showing it with nice 6,7, even 8, votes. But alas, those that aren't impressed are in the majority, voting with 4s and 5s. Boooooop.
Gotta love it. It's like being a Cubs fan...an ongoing lesson in patience and perseverance, with dogged good humor in the face of hoplessness. |
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01/25/2011 05:42:16 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by DChap:
Sorry again for being new and dumb.....but....
How come when the challenge ended there were 117 entries, and now it is down to 112? |
Some people have been DQ'd, which may have been brought on by a verification request from a voter or they could have pulled it themselves (Self-DQ). Not Dairy Queen, if you're wondering.
Same with the over 100 challenge. We're down three or so in that one as well. |
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01/25/2011 05:43:59 PM · #149 |
how do you self DQ, not that I want to, but i'm curious.
And if you self DQ does that hurt you as far as the competition rules? |
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01/25/2011 05:46:27 PM · #150 |
| Yes, it does hurt. If you get DQ'd once it's OK, as long as there isn't a second time. Then it hurts a bit. A third time stings even more. best to save those for honest mistakes instead of pulling out of a challenge you're doing poorly in. Not sure on the specifics as I don't read the fine print on much of anything. |
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